It was time to face the music – or, rather, delete it. The panel of experts obviously had concerns about the lyrical content of “Jesus.” So, a deal’s a deal, the song had to be pulled from the record and manufacturing begun.
But.
What if I just rewrote the line “Jesus turns another trick” to “Jesus trying trying hard to quit?”
The label and the buyer went for it. And here’s why:
No two members of the expert panel had the same issue with the “trick” line. There was no real consensus. Most of them agreed it was disturbing to them or, as they would write, disturbing to other Christians but not to them because, you know, they’re not like other Christians. But they didn’t agree on why it was disturbing to them, I mean, other Christians and not them. Jesus wouldn’t sin, some will think. What will parents say when they’re kids ask what a “trick” is? Is it necessary to talk about such a vulgar sex act to make the point? Jesus engaged in a sex act of any kind is a mental image that we ought not conjure up for others. Prostitutes aren’t listed in Matthew 25 along with the sick and hungry and imprisoned.
And other panelists had issues with other lines of the song or with the entire premise of the song – Remember the guy who feared listeners would think they were in fact gods themselves? I started wondering if I’d ever make a record if every song of mine had to pass through the panel’s scrutinization and emerge unanimously accepted before being recorded. What would an accepted song sound like?
I wondered if the only lyric that would be affirmed by them unanimously would be one with no metaphors, no connecting of dots required on the part of the listener, no unanswered questions, nothing that might confuse or be unpleasant or be over the head of any single Christian anywhere. There’s no sermon or book any of the panelists had ever crafted that would be acceptable by everyone else on the panel if judged by the same standards now being placed on our music. If we’re going to keep CDs out of bookstores because they confuse or tick off or make uncomfortable a single person or even a single pastor, we won’t have any music to sell. There just isn’t that much consensus on the non-essentials of our faith among Christians in America.
So, realizing all this, that the panel could never be unanimously happy with anything I ever wrote, I set out to make the buyer and the label happy at least. And really, the label was happy if the buyer was happy so I just focussed on him. Make him happy without compromising the message of the song and the label gets to sell records and I get to say something I think needs saying and the buyer gets customers who don’t complain about his no return policy on music and shop elsewhere.
And it was the return policy I suspected was the real reason for the ban in the first place. If the book store chain was truly concerned about selling products that were heretical or offensive they needed to get rid of a few books, half the t-shirt section and then come after the the music in the back. One look at their best-selling books display convinced me the chain of stores wasn’t really all that concerned with keeping heretical products from being sold…as long as those products could be returned.
So as I went to work rewriting, I chose “trying hard to quit” because I wanted to see if the buyer and everyone else involved in this process really wanted my song pulled because it depicted Jesus as a sinner. That was his issue originally right? “Jesus doesn’t sin.” Was that the real reason for the ban or was it a return policy or a fear of being disliked by customers or a personal discomfort with the line for some other reason? Was it really an allergy to heresy? I figured I could keep my message in tact and find out all at the same time.
If the real issue was my penning Jesus into a sinful act, then depicting Jesus as an addict, even one trying to quit, would have been equally offensive as Jesus turning a trick. An addict is a sinner. Just like a prostitute. And, well, for that matter, everyone else in the song since they’re all human. The line is only slightly sunnier since he’s trying to quit and not in the act of shooting up, or standing in line at Starbucks, or freezing on a smoke break.
But was anyone offended by an addicted Jesus? No. The buyer and everyone involved in this ruckus from the beginning had no qualms with Jesus being a sinner as long as He kept His clothes on. And it didn’t matter to me which kind of sinner I wrote into the second line, the point was the same: When we love people, no matter how messed up and less than us we deem them to be, we show our love for Jesus. And if we don’t love them we prove we don’t love Jesus at all.
But how can we love someone we can’t even stand to hear being sung about? And how can I love someone if I can’t forgive him for banning my record and not being completely honest about why? I labored under that question for a while.
Then, I sat down with a music magazine for a cover story interview about this whole ordeal. The interviewer was upset by the recent rash of bannings of albums by book store chains on what she saw as weak grounds. I was tempted to agree and assert my right to free speech and artistic expression and on and on. But I told her instead that I wanted to tell the good story of how we worked together to keep truth in tact and yet eliminate any unnecessary barriers to it, how together we figured out a way to say something about unconditional love in a way that wouldn’t keep our message from being available to people like me who need to learn how to love unconditionally.
I told the story pretty much as I’ve told you. But instead of hurting the buyer by telling readers I thought he really cared more about not having to deal with disgruntled customers than fending off any threat of heresy, I bragged on him. I told the truth: We need more gatekeepers in our industry that care what products marketed to Christians are teaching about Christ and do whatever they can, no matter how unpopular, not to reward what Church leaders believe to be untruths with exposure of any kind. Truth has to trump capitalism inside the Church or else the whole truth will be whittled down to only the most gratifying, positive and popular aspects of our faith. And we can’t determine what is true as well alone as we can with each other’s help.
I talked about how appreciative I was to have a label and distribution company that allowed me to be involved in this whole process and even guide it at times. If I had been on another label, I admitted, the song may have been pulled without even a phone call to me first. I shared how I planned to be more accountable than I had been in the past to other Christians and pastors by asking them to approve what I’m singing and saying before it gets out. There was no animosity in the interview, no hint of bitterness or anger. It was a really good story, I thought, about how a bunch of Christians went from being ticked at one another to solving a problem together and learning how to forgive in the end.
Too bad that wasn’t the story that got written…
Pepper says:
That’s pretty incredible!
Sue says:
Oh no… is there going to be a Part 4?
euphrony says:
Sometimes, one can kick over an ant hill without enticing the ants to turn around and bite you. The lyric change probably did that. It still gives us a kick in the seat, but it minimizes backlash by not referencing a sin/sinner perceived as “worse” than other sins/sinners.
Now, about the story that got written . . . We’re waiting. Patiently. Really.
Cristy says:
Sorry, this is sort-of off topic, sort-of on topic:
In 2005, I went on a road trip with one of my girlfriends, and brought your CD’s along. She was a smoker, and the line, Jesus trying hard to quit, is what helped her quit. She was a brand new Christian at that time and had been wanting to quit smoking, she just hadn’t been able to yet because of the amount of stress she had been under. I found out months later that each time she heard that line, she was more and more convicted…I had given her the CD because she liked it. I thought it was ironic, considering the song wasn’t originally written that way.
I also gave her my White Flag CD because of the song Heaven Hang On. She had just gotten out of an abusive marriage a few months prior and while that song was playing, I looked over and noticed tears streaming down her face. I turned the music down and she said, “NO! Turn it back on!” Apparently, the night she was leaving, she was praying to be surrounded by angels. The shelter that she and her son went to that night led her to salvation.
Shaun Groves says:
I’m curious how long I can stretch this thing out and still have readers.
The Jesus You Never Heard Pt.14 – the musical.
euphrony says:
“I’m curious how long I can stretch this thing out and still have readers.”
Generally, you can squeeze one over a trilogy as an ancillary tale (as the article seems it will be) or as a moral to the story.
The “Jesus” You Never Heard Pt. 28 – He’s back now, so the series will finally end!
Erin says:
And just when I thought things were wrapping up, you bring in that blasted ellipsis…
Aims says:
Hmm a musical? Really? Couldn’t possibly be any worse than High School Musical right? I’M FOR IT!! BRING ON PART 14!!!
Mark says:
Um, I like High School Musical.
Anyway, I said I was going to give you serious thoughts when the series ended, but I decided not to wait.
I like the song as recorded on the CD. I was shocked to read that some theologians think Matt. 25 only applies to Christians in the final days. I’ve never read that before and always heard it interpreted the way you do in this song.
However, I must admit I am uncomfortable with the original line. And the fact that the replacement line doesn’t bother me shows where my personal standards probably are. Should they be there? How does this apply to my reaching out to others? Am I really that shallow?
Once again, I’m being challenged by a song lyric to think about how shallow I am. Maybe I need to stop listening to music.
Nancy Tyler says:
Oooooh, I think I found the article in question hidden deep in the crevices of the Internet…
Shaun Groves says:
Where? I’d like to see it again. I neglected to keep my copy.
Nancy Tyler says:
PMing it…
emma says:
Can the rest of us see it too?
I think this story raises a lot of interesting points… mainly, how do we find the balance between saying/singing (true) words which may make us uncomfortable but cause us to change (like many of the prophets did – Isaiah preaching naked?!?), and not being unnecessarily offensive?
Shaun Groves says:
Just got Nancy’s PM. And Nope. That’s not it.
Nancy Tyler says:
Bah. The interviews may have been at different times but the articles came out at the same time and I got em confused. I do have a hard copy of the
correct article though. Somewhere…
Nancy Tyler says:
Found the hard copy. Article doesn’t appear to be online anywhere. Man, you look like you’re contemplating jumping out of that window on the cover shot.
Shaun Groves says:
You do realized don’t you that I’m out of town this weekend. To be continued on Monday.
Nancy Tyler says:
You traveling salesmen are always out of town. Enjoy Florida and sell many t-shirts.
Mark says:
Out of town? Continued on Monday? Does cruel and unusual punishment mean anything to you?
Grovesfan says:
Great story. Songs like this challenge me too; especially since I’m so comfortable in my comfort zone and rarely encounter people very different from myself. I really need to get out more.
Beth
Shaun Groves says:
I don’t know, Beth. The so-called “normal” people need you too right? That’s why I put so many of them in the song. The least, I think anyway, are as much the kids in your house and the co-worker you have lunch with as they are the prostitute and the child starving in the third world. They just have different needs.
Do you think?
Grovesfan says:
I agree Shaun.
Sometimes the “normal” people get overlooked because they’re normal. The everyday average “Joe” who doesn’t have an addiction, has a job, a home, a family and is living out their “American Dream.” I’m just better at reaching out to them than I am at those who are different than me.
I am also pretty niave and easily taken in to a degree. I expect people to tell me the truth and it’s hard to know when they’re not. I draw great joy from serving and helping others and I hate to disappoint anyone. I have to deal with “burnout” at times as a result.
While I continue to pray for discernment in all areas, I also have come to realize that if I’m taken in, that’s OK too. God will use me regardless. I just have to be more willing to be used more.
Beth
tunz4jesus says:
As a journalist, I would like to know if the interview was recorded?
Ryan G says:
Streeeetch it out. It builds character…I’m not sure in whom.
Still a good story. Can’t wait for Part 14!
Shaun Groves says:
Yes it was.
Liz says:
I kind of randomly found myself here, as an effort to put off homework, and I have a few thoughts I guess…
#1 – Shaun, I think you are a pretty cool guy. I like your thoughts. I also really like your songs, a lot. I remember, back in the day, Welcome Home was my absolute favorite song. Its definitely still up there. I never was able to buy Twilight or White Flag, until a couple weeks ago. I love them. Songs speak to my soul, and Twilight has been helping me get through some struggles. Hummingbird is pretty much my life song. and I have the lyrics to Jesus taped to my wall….
#2 – reading this little “series” on Jesus has been very interesting. I, right away, took the song to mean what you meant, a metaphor – and I love it. Hence, the reason it is on my wall. It is an encouragement, reminder, and challege to me. When I was reading your little ordeal over the song, it really reminded me of this other song by a local band here in Grand Rapids (MI). This song can spark a little controversy for very similar reasons as yours. But its a great song, performed by great guys. The song is called Sex With The Devil and you can listen to it on their myspace if you so wish (http://www.myspace.com/thevigilantes). I don’t know if you’d find that interesting or not….
#3 – i’m quite distressed by the fact that you are playing two shows in MI in the next two days. But they are too far away for me to go to. =( Who knows when you will be back….
ok, i’m done. that was practically a book. I will come back to visit again…I never last too long on these message board things though. I’m not really a huge fan of electronically mediated convorsations.
Thanks for being a blessing.
-Liz
john says:
Shaun – wow, I had no idea that this ever happened. I have to respect you for pushing the envelope when it comes to songwriting. A phrase I once heard comes to mind – “offending the mind to reach the heart”. In some cases that is all but necessary for some people to have a realization of the truth.
I’ll admit I have not hear this song (yet), but it looks like I’ll be adding an album or two to my collection now.
I also wonder if fellow songwriter Todd Agnew ran into a similar situation with his song “My Jesus”, as the phrase “He spent his time with thieves and sluts and liars” is not included in the radio cut of this song.
I commend you for doing what you did to get the song on the album, though, as it shows a lot of humility on your part.
Bill Whitt says:
Hey, Shaun. This song convicts me everytime I listen to it. It really puts flesh and bones on the concept of “loving the least of these.” I never understood this passage fully before I read the poetry of this song.
Keep up the good work!