“So what is it you do these days exactly?” I asked.
Four hours later, the answer – interrupt by fascinating tangents and dinner and dessert and coffee and children – was finished. And I’d spent the evening with a legend in music.
He started out as an intern at a booking agency. Then worked at one. Then started one with a country recording artist I grew up listening to. Then, at the peak of country music in the eighties, he stepped away from millions in annual revenue because he felt God wanted him to be involved with this new thing called “Christian music.”
He booked. He consulted. He booked. He managed. He managed and booked. He was behind so many of Christian music’s earliest success stories.
Then he stepped away again. Feeling that something had been lost.
“We didn’t plan on becoming an industry,” he said. “It just kept growing. And we lost something.”
So he quite in middle-age to figure out what he should be when he grew up, and remembered what the industry was.
“When I started in Christian music,” he said, “I would sit down with an artist and ask them why Christian music. The answer always came back to a calling of some sort – whether they labeled it that or not. They had a reason.”
“And that answer changed over the years?” I asked.
“Near the end,” he said, “an artist told me his plan was to make it in Christian music and then cross-over to mainstream music.”
More and more artists, he said, were looking to Christian music for fame, money and a stepping stone to greater fame and money.
“I remember,” he said, “standing back at the soundboard one night in those early years and hearing an artist talk about Compassion International and seeing the response. And I thought ‘I’m part of this. This is happening because I booked this concert – I played my part.’ There was a reason for having a concert that was bigger than the booking agency or the record label or the artist. We all did our job and that moment happened. And some nights that moment was an alter call and some nights it was World Vision, but there was a greater purpose.”
Artists were troubadours who made music whether it paid well or not – and it usually didn’t.
The Christian music industry is a shadow of what it was just ten years ago. Labels don’t have marketing budgets. The A-list is itty bitty, made up of the very few artist who get played on the radio and resung at churches on Sunday mornings. There are no more Christian music magazines and our best Christian music websites don’t get more traffic than a successful artist’s blog. Bookstores are closing their music sections. There’s no Gospel Music Week in Nashville anymore. Good sales for a new artist today are figures that would have gotten a new artist dropped from a label ten years ago. Labels are only signing artists who’ve had some degree of success independently already. And, more and more, independent artists with some degree of success already are realizing they’ll be no better off with a record deal.
The industry will never die but it is chronically ill in comparison to its former self.
But here’s the good news. Because there is less fame and money and airplay to be had today than a decade ago, those looking to Christian music for those rewards will be disappointed and quit. And when they’re gone maybe we’ll be an industry of a few stars and many troubadours once again.
Why do you do what you do? Is there a reason bigger than yourself?
Jason says:
I still feel horrible sometimes for the ways I contributed to the downfall of the Christian music industry by going along with the “way radio should be done.” 🙁
shayne says:
OH so YOU’RE the guy.
*said with tongue planted firmly in cheek*
Jason…you couldn’t have done anything to save it. It’s the way it is. God gives us pretty but we hate pretty and feel it needs to be glamored up. So naturally…we totally ruin it.
Feel better dude.
And start a new radio station on the internet. I’d totally listen if you put worship music on there and artists who have something to give rather than something to take.
shayne says:
For a short time here, before K-Love and Air-One took over…our guys were playing more and more worship music and less “Christian” music.
Matt Redman was getting just as much airtime as TobyMac.
Now?
Not so much. Is that bad? For me, yes. Christian music has it’s place I think…but more and more I just get frustrated with it. It seems that today’s musicians are following in creativity rather than leading in creativity.
I don’t want to listen to a cleaned up version of Lady GaGa.
Maybe I’m just old and crabby. And then again, maybe the radio programmers might try remembering that not everybody who listens to the radio is 13 with a 3 second attention span. I like my music to have a little depth to it.
Sue me. And get outta my way ya bratty kids!!!
*said in my very best curmudgeonly voice*
Is there more than just “me,me,me” music out there?
Dear God I hope so. I don’t think I managed to stay on topic, but I hope you get what I’m screamin’.
brad says:
To me, worship music *is* Christian music. I would rather find a way for “Contemporary Christian Music” to just be in with all the other pop and rock stuff. Harder to compete but somehow it just seems right to me. And totally agree on the leading and not following.
shayne says:
Yes, worship music is Christian music, but Christian music is not necessarily worship music.
I suppose that’s the point I’m trying to make.
Lots of flashy lights, staccato cookie cutter 3 minute songs and lots of times, very little substance.
There’s a difference in music with a “positive” message and songs that were written specifically to help people express themselves to a God who is beyond expression.
It would be great for CCM to be in with the mainstream. But then it would just be mainstream music and just like everybody else. Which again, is my point. I don’t want to listen to cleaned up versions of rock music. I want to hear the heart and words of God.
But that’s just me. I’m just one person…not the whole human race.
brad says:
Shayne, I agree with you. No CCM fluff. Didn’t mean to imply otherwise.
Vicki Small says:
I have never articulated a difference between “Christian” music and “worship” music, but I know the difference when I’m listening or singing. There are many “Christian” songs that leave me kinda “eh,” and worship songs that go down into my very soul and pull me up, up, up to where I worship at the feet of Jesus.
It was always the same with the hymns I grew up with, although my soul had not yet begun healing from all the damage done to it in my early years. But there have been times, in the past 10 years, or so, when we’ve been singing in church–whether a contemporary song of praise and/or worship, or something like “How Great Thou Art,” when I could almost swear that the angels were joining in with us (couldn’t think how to say that without “swear”). It isn’t “Did it make me cry, or not?” although I am old enough, now, and have experienced enough of life and grace to come to tears more easily than I used to; it’s about whether the song made real worship easy–even inescapable. Will I ever be able to sing “My Chains Are Gone…” without tears? Not if I’m paying attention to the words I’m singing; I remember the chains . . . and in truth, I’m still praying to be freed from a couple. But more and more have been broken apart, and that touches my very core.
Jeffrey says:
It’s funny that you say that about who you feel Christian radio is geared at. I live in Canada (not a lot of Christian radio here), but when I drive through the States it seems to me that all of the Christian radio stations are geared at soccer moms and there is very little for the Christian teenager/young adult. As someone who likes pop/rock music I DEFINITELY want a cleaned up version of secular music. I (musically) like many mainstream acts, but don’t like listening to the music because of the lyrics. I think it’s VITAL to have an alternative to Lady Gaga for Christian teenagers to listen to. I also think that worship music (while I love singing it in church) is the least interesting musically and lyrically and don’t particularly like listening to it on the radio. That’s why there should be different radio formats I guess. So there’s something for everyone.
brad says:
I understand what you’re saying Jeffrey and that is valid, but I would rather see Christian rock/pop on mainstream radio (it happens occasionally, but not the norm). Most Christian youth don’t listen to CCM anyway. The Christian stations are geared toward middle aged women, that is the demographic. The only additional thought I have on that is that radio stations created that situation themselves by catering to too narrow of a demographic and not cultivating a wider audience (such as youth and men). They say they are responding to their market but maybe they helped create the situation in the first place.
@PaulSteinbrueck says:
Shaun, what do you think has changed in Christian Music that’s caused it to become a shadow of its former self? Is it the digital revolution? Or is there more to it than that?
Shaun Groves says:
I’m not the smart guy in the room. But the smart guys I know place some blame on labels for adapting to digital demand too slowly, radio for slashing playlists to half or less of what they once played, radio for testing before playing songs, retail for discouraging innovation in delivery and punishing labels and artists who went to iTunes and others first, internet radio and streaming, the iPod, piracy, and on and on.
Doesn’t matter who’s to blame (we all are). It turns out to be a hard but eventual good thing, this transition we’re in. I hope.
Zoë says:
The reasons why I do what I do are three little monkeys. One is definitely bigger than me these days (I am *not* short. I just like not hitting my head on things). Does that count?
Zoë says:
Do you use the expression ‘little monkey’ to describe children in America? Just thought I’d clarify; I’m no zookeeper, though sometimes the similarities are obvious.
brad says:
As a band we are currently in “pay to play” mode. I was speaking with my daughter (who’s in our group) just yesterday and we were talking about the need to have “something” to say as an artist. Not necessarily something churchy but something genuine and sincere. I think this goes for all artists, Christian or not. I am where I am, risking financial ruin, because I know God called me to this and because I write music, I just do. We’ve planned, saved and worked for years. Now I often find myself competing for gigs with young people with a lot of fluff and not much substance (and often not a lot to offer musically).
I know that sounds harsh and, yes, I do struggle to keep a Godly perpective on things…but it is obviously frustrating. One consequence of “anyone” being able to record an album of some sort and market it online is that everyone seems to be doing it. There is a lot of flotsam in the musical seas.
The irony here is that we very much don’t want to add to the flotsam but it is much harder to find people to help you develop your band unless you are already developed as a band. I keep thinking of how U2 was five albums into their career when Joshua Tree hit. That’s five albums with a lot of input from their label and producers. Of course no one gets that kind of time or support any more.
We were at a GMA event some years back and had a member of the Crabb family come up to my daughter and I, just encouraging us that he really felt like music was something we were supposed to do. I commented back to him that the problem was that we weren’t really that good at that point…at all. He stared back at me and reminded me that God doesn’t call the equipped, He equips the called.
I agree with that and we are being equipped and are (thankfully) much better at our craft than we were. However, it just seems harder in some ways to find a situation where you can really develop and still eat.
Also, we have a vision to produce music that challenges and changes, but we also have ambition to be as big and play in front of as large of audiences as possible. Are these conflicting goals? Bands that I admire seem to have pulled it off. If we don’t end up playing stadium shows it won’t stop us from playing as our vision goes beyond that but I’d be lying if I said that I didn’t desire that.
I might as well stop there as there is so much I could say and now I feel like I’m just babbling. Sorry for whining. I agree with your post on the whole but I guess we’re hoping for something more than…well…something more.
shayne says:
I don’t think you’re whining. It’s clear through your words that you’re passionate about this.
I’m not a musician or a troubador. I just help out on our praise team at church…but that’s still something that takes sacrifice, teamwork, and a willingness to submit to authority. And I do that for free, because if I wasn’t doing it there…I’d be doing it in my house, right at my kitchen sink washing dishes.
It is who I am. But it is not what brings home the bacon.
I guess I just want to encourage you. I don’t do what you do, but if you are truly called…then rest and let God do what He’s gonna do. And be content with that.
Praying for y’all.
brad says:
Thanks for the kind words and prayers. They are very appreciated!
Kelli says:
I used to think I knew why I do what I do. Then some music man troubadour came along and took me half way across the world and I came back all broken…in a good way.
Still waiting and praying through the “why’s” now. I dont know much about how the music industry works, but I can say with all honesty I’m grateful for troubadours who are changing the world…
Vicki Small says:
This will sound pathetically “religious,” but it’s true: More and more, I want everything I do to be for one purpose: to glorify Christ and build His Kingdom. I have not yet achieved that unity of purpose, but I’m working on it–or rather, I’m following His leading the best that I can discern it, which is sometimes a painfully slow process.
But my learning began in the year before I encountered my first Compassion table; that encounter taught me that it was truly worthwhile to wait for God’s leading, no matter how slow it may seem in becoming clear. Advocating for children offers many more opportunities than I first realized, and I can see that God was leading me into it many years before I knew it–all my life, in fact, when I had to look outside my family for people who would advocate for me.
Katie Axelson says:
This would be the tenth summer of my attending the same Christian music festival. Due to circumstances beyond my control (ok, really I moved), I won’t be there this year. I’ve spent a lot of time on that side of the stage of Christian music.
More recently, I played a very minor role in marketing for what I thought was a Christian band. I’d heard their God-honoring songs on Christian radio. They’ve even won Dove awards… which we couldn’t mention in our advertising. They wanted to be labeled as a “band with Christian members” rather than a “Christian band.” I went to their concert. I will never go to another one. I will never buy their CD. This ministry may have a place in this world (if it’s even still ministry) but it won’t be on my iPod.
If I’m going to a concert, I don’t ever want to question whether it’s Christian or not. Like you said, I want to be part of something bigger than several thousand dollars of one-night entertainment. If I’m going to a concert, I want to worship. I don’t mean everything needs to be songs written for corporate worship. I mean everything (the songs, the stories, the crowd) needs to be there for one reason and one reason only: to glorify God.
I don’t listen to Christian radio anymore. I can’t find a station I like (locally or online). Is there an online place where people can hear independent and signed artists? If there’s not, what would it take to make it happen?
Katie
brad says:
Katie, was it because they didn’t conduct themselves in a Christlike manner or is just the fact that they didn’t want to be identified as a Christian band the problem? As a group, my band doesn’t necessarily want to be identified as a “Christian band” because of what that has come to mean (or not mean) in many instances.
Also, it can limit what distribution channels you music goes out to if you are marketed as a Christian group. Ironically, if we want to reach out to the young people in our churches, the majority of them don’t listen to “Christian” music. I realize you may have valid concerns about the group you mention above, just wanted to explain that there can be another side to that story as well, FWIW.
Katie Axelson says:
Thanks, Brad, for clarifying. Yes, this group desires to expand their audience and reach platforms unreachable under the “Christian” label (not record company “label” but genre label). That’s great. That’s where music can become a wonderful outreach ministry.
Maybe I wasn’t listening but I don’t recall ever hearing Christ’s name spoken, sung, honored, glorified in this particular concert. If music is being used as an outreach ministry, then I think it’s vital to…um…include Christ. The “part of something bigger” aspect of the concert took place five to ten minutes before the show was scheduled to start so most people missed it.
After this concert, attendees loved it. Those who worked with the band, crew, et al. left with a bad taste in their mouth due to un-Christ-like interactions.
Like I said, my personal opinion is that I never want to question whether I’m at a Christian concert or not so this is not the band for me.
Katie
Veronika says:
This makes me think of this song and the story behind it: “I’m coming back to the heart of worship; and it’s all about You…..”
Can there be anything bad about that? So what if the Christian music genre dies out. God can handle it. I don’t recall any place in the NT where music was to be an evangelical tool. (I humbly ask: did I miss it somewhere?)
Nobody will ever be able to quell the songs in the hearts of the saints.
To answer your question honestly: I am a mix of motivation to glorify God, bless others (especially my husband and children and the brethren), and fulfill my own selfish desires. I am in the thick of the daily struggle.
BTW Shaun: where’s Steve Taylor these days? He’s was a truly original and highly talented musician.
Rick Orrell says:
Steve Taylor produced the recent movie (in theatres a month or so ago) “Blue Like Jazz”….
Kay says:
It’s easy to point the blame towards Christian radio and while some stations have made poor choices when it comes to limiting playlists, I believe the biggest issue is something that would surprise most people. Many of the labels are not giving their music to Christian radio anymore, instead they are charging for it or not making it available at all. I can’t speak on behalf of every radio station, but I can speak for the one I am involved with and I can say it has resulted in less choice for the listener. And who could blame the station? If our music director has to go and purchase a cd just to give it consideration for airtime and has to do this for every artist out there, where does it end? And why should they have to? Could you imagine what would happen if secular stations had to pay for OneRepublic’s music? How many would have ever gave them a shot? In the end it’s not fair to the radio stations; it’s not fair to the artist who expects their label to be promoting their music; and its certainly not fair to the listeners who look towards Christian radio to bring them a selection of artists.
Shaun Groves says:
Kay, I think what you’re hitting on is the idea of the Long Tail. The head (K-Love, The Fish, WAY-FM, AIR1, etc) gets attention and service (for free) from labels because of their obvious size and resulting influence. These stations are reporters; what they play determines charting position and, it’s thought, maybe that will budge sales.
Your stations sounds like it may be part of the long tail – the thousands of stations of lesser size and influence that TOGETHER are as influential and large (if not larger) than the head. The industry still isn’t serving the tail. They’re lamenting the way the head operates these days. Why?
It’s easier to reach the head. Upload songs to MPE and you know the head will get them. Radio promoters have existing relationships with the head – it’s a small(ish) list that can be contacted. On and on.
The tail is harder to reach. It’s so big. There’s no existing relationship with most of it. How does it get music? Does it subscribe to MPE? Logistically it’s not as easy to serve the tail (for free) as it is the head.
Or so I’ve been told.
shayne says:
I guess we’re all doomed to Spotify.
Which, I can’t currently listen to in my car, which is where I need the music the most because hello? rush hour traffic? Road rage + worship music = grace and nobody dies. Need I say more?
Or it could be that I just need hormone replacement therapy.
Incidentally and hopefully back to the topic at hand…I’m so fascinated by how the machine works. I like reading your answers…so thanks for taking the time to write them.
Kris says:
Excellent words, Shaun. I am rather tired of the big name artists who talk the talk publicly, but are working behind the curtain for other means. The older I get the more I am learning to look for artists who ARE the real thing. No label, no neon lights and giant RV, but real, approachable sinners just like me who happen to have a really awesome gift and outreach tool-their voice. I feel the same about writers and other artists too. The ones who truly use their gift as worship are the ones who I’ll wait in line to see, to hug, to encourage…. And yes, there’s a reason I’m doing what I’m doing, it’s all for Christ. God has been teaching me much about using my gifts for HIS glory not my own and what a ride it’s been so far. My face has rug burn from being on it, but it hurts so good.
And Zoe, I frequently refer to my children as monkeys, turkeys, and other various animals. I definitely feel like a zookeeper, but I love my four little hyeenas. 😉
Kelli- I love your post-Tanzania messy self. I’m praying God would break my heart the same way. It’s a beautiful thing He’s doing in you!
Please excuse any major type o’s, as I pecked this out in my tiny phone screen at 4AM.
Love and prayers for you and yours Shaun. God is using you in awesome ways.
Dwayne says:
Listen, Thebible has a scripture….whne Joshua was on route to take Jerricho he met a soldier like figure and asked..’Are you for us or against us?’
I love all types od Christian Musuce and there are other types I dont like..but God uses all types to getto all types of people.
I live near Ottawa ON Can and before the chrsitian radio CHRI chrsitian msuic and christian concerts were Unheard of around here! Nothing people do ever stays in one place….it is always going or leaning to one orthe other extreme but God knows that and better yet knows our intent and is being glorified thorugh it.