There’s an old Seinfeld bit about our collective fear of public speaking. Someone said it’s our number one fear. Death is second. Which means that for most people, if they’re at a funeral, they’d rather be in the casket than delivering the eulogy.
The first time I ever sang for a bunch of people I was in college. Singing at Common Grounds coffeehouse on 8th in Waco, Texas. I vomited. Before and after. And I swore I’d never do that again. The performing part. Which would in turn help me avoid the vomiting part.
But I got over the fear. And have stayed over it. For more than a decade now I’ve sung and spoken from stages to crowds as small as five (Thanks, Waco) and as large as 36,000 (Thanks, The Netherlands). One of those weirdos who’s more comfortable with a crowd than face-to-face, I guess.
Unless that crowd is under 18 years of age.
I turn down opportunities to sing for young people all the time. I just remember being at youth camps and youth conferences and having to sit through musicians my youth minister book because he loved them. I hated them. And I’m sure it was great music but it wasn’t what I was into. And I swore an oath to my thirteen year-old self that when I became my thirty-something year-old self I would never inflict my music on a child. Never ever, amen.
But speaking is another deal altogether. Or I thought it was. I thought I’d really enjoy speaking to youth. I’ve considered changing my name to Louie Giglio, Francis Chan or Shane Claiborne just so I’d have more opportunities to speak to youth.
OK, the truth is I’ve never spoken at a large gathering of youth. Unless twenty is young and twelve is large.
This week was my first time. And it wasn’t as fun as I thought it would be. I was scared. A lot.
Thankfully, I didn’t vomit. But, out of the blue, I was standing side-stage the first night of this conference I’m at and my mouth went dry, my hands went tingly – I had to sit down. Sweet Jesus, don’t let me puke on the front row. And on my new shirt. And my only shoes.
Every morning and night I was scared, lost my place, veered off from my notes, whiffed transitions.
But every morning and night students studied the bible, asked questions, wrestled with next steps, had their perspectives shifted.
Every morning and night youth ministers encouraged me with stories of how God was making big and small changes in the lives of students.
Every morning and night I prayed and was amazed at the answers.
You know what? I’ve been in a rut for years. Agreeing to the kinds of opportunities I know I’m great at. The kinds of things that I’m most comfortable doing. The kinds of sermons I can preach without thinking, without fear…without praying.
I mean, I do pray, some, but not like I have this week. I don’t usually have to so I just don’t. But this week I had to. So uncomfortable. So afraid. So much so that I had to pray, to confess my obvious inadequacy, to hope only in the power of God to change lives and not in my practiced skill. Because I felt downright skill-less.
You remember camp don’t you? And all those youth conferences? They always ended with a big pile of young people swaying to a Michael W. Smith tune, a sweaty mass of sorrow and joy and commitment and re-commitment and re-re-commitment. Everyone swearing to God that they’d change this or that when they got home.
I’ve never been fond of such over-dramatic conclusions. But I’m kinda having one myself right now, here in my hotel room, at the alter of my laptop.
God, when I go home I want to keep the dependence and humility this week has forced upon me. No matter how comfortable I am I want to pray like I’m scared out of my mind, like without you I’m absolutely inadequate. Because I am.
Thanks for the not-so-gentle reminder.
Amen.
JessicaB says:
Holy Crow, I can’t believe that The (capital the) Shaun Groves – capital V vomited the first time he performed.
I pretty much gave up on singing and playing for people that aren’t in my mirror this year. Thought, oh well. I’m just going to lay that to rest and forget about it forever, because I just get too scared to be any good.
Way to go and mess that presumption up for me. Gah.
[email protected] speak says:
Yep, when we get out of our comfort zone, that blubbering mess we become, humbles us right down to our knees. And I couldn’t help but laugh (most the way through, right out loud) wondering about God’s sense of humor over our little wimpy “control”. But oh to pray “No matter how comfortable I am I want to pray like Iโm scared out of my mind” I won’t be laughing when the scary COMFORT-able bulls-eye is pulled out from under me. I’ll be face-down, like a dead person at His feet.
Kelli says:
Aaaahhh…Common Grounds. I remember listening to guys like you over my Snickerdoodle Coffee way back when. I wonder how many of them chucked before taking the stage. ๐
Great post and great reminder. Don’t you hate being a grown up sometimes, all confined to practicality? I think we could all use the occasional camp experience every now and then….
“Lookin’ for a reason. Roamin’ through the night to find my place in this world. My plaaaaace in this world.”
7th grade, Panama City. Youth Camp. I haven’t forgotten.
Jenn says:
Kelly, were you at Centrifuge in Panama City? ‘Cause I was there every year from 8th grade until 11th grade (except for the one year our pastor thought we should try Carson-Newman college instead. L-A-M-E.)
Oh, the memories.
Kelli says:
Honestly, I have no idea what it was called. I think I blocked it out. ๐
Brad says:
Kids scare people. I work in youth ministry and we can get someone to play in the worship band for 1000 adults before we can get them to come in and lead worship for 100 kids. But I understand. As for myself, I am totally uncool (and somewhat anti-social) and find myself leading worship and fronting a rock-band composed of my teenaged children. Every time I take the stage I am reminded of just how boring (and sinful) a person I am. Then God comes through. I must say though, I’ve never puked before going on stage…but maybe the right opportunity just hasn’t come along yet :^) But I’m with you Shaun. I wish I could stay in that place of humility and dependance always. If you ever find the secret, please let me know.
kris says:
Excellent. Praying you keep the dependence and humility.
Beth says:
That’s gotta be the worst picture of Smitty I’ve ever seen. As for working with kids/youth, I love it, but it does make me nervous at times to be sure. I’d do it all day rather than go to a job interview or review. Those always make me sick to my stomach!
Beth
Sarah M. says:
You mean to tell me getting pushed out of our comfort zones doesn’t stop??
I want to pray like I’m scared out of my mind too – no matter.
Liz Reeves says:
I LOVE that sentiment, Sarah! “I want to pray like I’m scared out of my mind too–no matter.”
YES!!!! You put into words exactly what I was thinking as I read Shaun’s post.
Jason says:
Thanks for this, Shaun. I’m trying to get where you are…speaking to people…and any perspective I can get from someone further down the road I feel God’s making me walk is greatly appreciated.
NancyTyler says:
I prayed a prayer similar to that some years back. It completely upended how I see myself and how I relate to God and to the people He puts in my world.
Sharon O says:
I want you to know I was a teen in a youth setting not understanding who God was and how he could love ME and how this speaker could be talking about faith and love and kindness and hope when I felt none of those feelings. Youth is a time for change. If the right person comes into the scene and believes in them. I was not a believer until I tested the Lord and someone I knew believed in me. I was a young person living in a dysfunctional home life not believing anyone could care enough. Youth groups have a tremendous ‘power’ to change lives. I pray you believe that and see that anything you might have said could have been ‘the words someone needed’ that weekend.
Heart and Haven says:
I love this message! So honest, and how we should all be everyday!
I have 3 kids (one of them is a a teen, yikes!). So, yes I have to pray often for guidance – cause I don’t always know what I’m doing! I also pray for other godly people to intervene in my son’s life as a godly influence during this critical time in his life!
Michelle ~ Blogging from the Boonies says:
Well, to be perfectly honest, this changes my whole perception of you. ๐ The two times I have been able to meet you, you seemed nice and genuine, but with a certain level of semi-aloof and distant. Maybe you were just about to upchuck. (Or maybe you thought I was some sort of crazy stalker type?)
Somehow, the fact that you admitted your weaknesses brings you to a whole new level of “real” in my mind.
I know, our perceptions can be so skewed can’t they?
Working with Compassion has given me a lot more experience with public speaking. Strangely, though, every time I get up in front of a crowd, I start to feel this strange light-headed out-of-body sort of feeling. Scary, but strengthening also.
Shaun Groves says:
Ah, now that’s unfair, Michelle! Seriously, I and all “public figures” are up against the expectations of others – realistic or not. I’m not “on” all the time, can’t be but am expected to be. But I have to turn off. And my being “off” when hanging out with you is actually the highest compliment. If I’m comfortable, feeling as if I’m among friends, especially Compassion friends, I feel relaxed and free to not be “on.” And those relaxed moments are gifts really. They don’t last long enough sometimes but they give me a breather before the next “fan” approaches and I’m back in conversation.
Don’t get me wrong. I love conversation. But constant conversation for days on end, hours at a time, exhausts me, drains my spirit. And I need air.
Sorry if relaxed has ever come across as aloof. I’m certainly not. I’m just a human like the rest of you. I have my limits. And then I need to be alone, together with friends, relaxed and refueled by the silence. Thanks for being one of those people I can relax with, Michelle.
Michelle ~ Blogging from the Boonies says:
See, I can admit one of my weaknesses. I have a tendency to be paranoid and think nobody *really* likes me. Maybe I read into the “off” and skewed it to “semi-aloof”.
At any rate, the times I have seen you speak, your confidence and ability to share the testimony of Compassion left an impression on me. I suppose, being shy and battling self-doubt like I do, I find it refreshing to see someone I admire admit that they get scared and feel inadequate at times.
holly smith says:
Oh, my spirit resonates with your prayer. Yes. Thank you, Brother, for choosing to live like it matters and spurring us on to do the same…’cause it does. Thank you.
Jenn says:
I rededicated my life so many times at camp, it’s a wonder Jesus didn’t come down and just take me up to heaven right there on the spot in Cumberland Kentucky my senior year.
I love this post so much. I was not gifted with a beautiful singing voice, but God did give me the gift of speaking. I know it’s a gift, because I would never pick it. And I can so relate to what you said about praying. For years I gave the same talk to the same age group (7th-10th grade kids) and so I never really had to think about it. I never prayed about it.
And then I was so confident in *myself* that I began winging it for talks on other topics to college girls. And it was not so great.
And then I was asked to give the big talk at an annual women’s event at my old church and I realized that the only way I could do it was to let God do it. There was much prayer and seeking and praying some more. I almost cried through the whole talk because I was so overwhelmed at God’s goodness and grace to give me such a beautiful message. I never would have come up with the message on my own. And I try to remember that lesson as I am asked to speak here and there, even if I think I am an expert on whatever the topic is.
I’m no expert. I’m going to write your prayer down and hang it where I can see it. I need that reminder every day!
Sarah says:
After reading this I was honestly surprised because I just saw you speak at a conference and I would have never been able to guess how nervous you actually get. I guess its because I always percieve Christian singers and speakers as perfect people. I was at Sonpower and after hearing you speak all week and sing Welcome Home, I couldn’t help but say to myself, one day I want to be as amazing and inspiring as you. I really do hope I can hear you speak again because for once I actually took what a Christian speaker said to heart!
Adam says:
I speak, sing, and play in front of people all the time…and have done so for years. Yet, I don’t think there is a time that I don’t feel a little wave of “oh man!” wash over me almost every time. The only way I don’t have that is if I intentionally don’t think about it lol. it is funny though, once I am up (speaking) and begin, I am fine. Musically though, I am pretty nervous with the playing, the singing is similar to speaking. Once it starts, I am fine…unless I don’t know the song well, of course.
I wonder why we get nervous? When did that start? I wonder who the first person was that got nervous when speaking in front of a group was? I wonder if they thought they were dying? Maybe that is why there is so much fear, lol.
Alden says:
Shaun,
Thanks for your transparency and honesty. You’ve put into words something that has been nagging on my spirit lately. I’ve been surfing on the answered prayers of my past which have built my self-confidence. The reminder for me is that what I’m so confident in now, was once a weakness.
I’m sharing your prayer today and echoing it as my own. Thanks for the reminder that I need to depend on God.
Joey Cottle says:
I do remember camp, and the re-re-recomittments.
I just want to say that out of the blogs I follow (Donald Miller, Scot Mcknight, etc) I like yours the best.
Keep it coming.
ali @ an ordinary mom says:
“No matter how comfortable I am I want to pray like Iโm scared out of my mind, like without you Iโm absolutely inadequate. Because I am.”
Yes- I love this prayer, so true, so powerful!
I’ll never forget one year while going along as a young chaperone on a YWAM trip somewhere deep in Mexico, when our leader turned to me and said something like “Are you ok taking a group yourself, without an interpreter? We don’t have enough for each group today…” (We were doing door-to-door Bible distribution and evangelism) and I gulped, big-time, I’m no Captain Courageous, and then I head myself say something like “Sure”. My heart began to race and my mind began to pray that prayer- that scared and utterly helpless and in need of Him prayer- “without You I’m absolutely inadequate”
You know what? Another interpreter showed up. I was off the hook, but those moments of shocking myself by stepping out in faith in even being willing to do something like that have forever changed me- and I’ve prayed similar scared out of my mind prayers over the years, and, well, He keeps changing me, and it’s been a good thing, such a good thing.
I love that you shared this…
Robin Dance says:
“…hope only in the power of God to change lives and not in my practiced skill…”
Worthy lesson to be learned and re-learned and re-re-learned.
I love it when your heart writes your posts :).
Robin Dance says:
Oh, and that piccha of Smitty looks like American Jesus.
Stephanie T. Green says:
Dang, this post reminds me why your blog is the only one I read (well…except during blogger trips). So refreshingly real AND a great spiritual reminder! I pray less when I’m full of myself and more when I’m empty. Seems kinda funny to pray for emptiness, but I will today. Thank you for the reminder. P.S. I saw your comment above to Michelle. I’m glad you can be “off” with us. Yes, we are your fans…but we’re also your friends.