I wasn’t thrilled when my wife told me her father would be our pre-marriage counselor. Yes, he was my pastor. Yes, he’s a smart guy with a PhD in God or something. Yes, he’d counseled hundreds of people before they tied the knot. But there was no convincing me I’d make it through the inevitable sex talk without blushing and possibly throwing up a little.
He saved sex for our last session. Becky and I took a seat together on the couch in her apartment, the couch she jumped on as a kid, that she watched TV from with snack in hand after school every day.
Across from us sat her father. And beside him, my mother-in-law. Β
My girlfriend’s father and mother are about to talk to me about having sex with their little girl. No, this won’t be awkward at all.
By contrast, my own parents never once talked to me about sex. I’ve never even heard them say the word. I’m not entirely convinced they know how my sister and I got here. I didn’t get a book to read, a pamphlet, an after school special, nothin’. I learned about sex from Chris Scudder in the second grade on the playground of Lane’s Chapel Methodist Daycare. He drew me a picture.
So my father-in-law began…
The Best Marriage Advice Ever
He talked about the usual stuff you’d expect to hear: Men generally have greater sex drives than their wives. But sex is still important to both men and women. Blah blah blah… it’s a beautiful and spiritual thing… blah blah blah… Communication is important… blah blah blah… Foreplay…
Wait a second. Did he just say foreplay? Oh, he’s still talking about it. Make it stop! Ok, breathe. Breathe! Try to pay attention without actually listening…and don’t throw up. Don’t. Throw. Up.
I accidentally listened for a second, just long enough to hear the best marriage advice ever.
Foreplay for a man, he said, starts a few minutes (or seconds) before…well, you know what, and my mom and dad are reading so I’m not spelling it out.
But, he said, foreplay for a woman begins when her husband takes out the trash.
My mother-in-law said nothing the entire session. She just nodded and smiled her “amen” as my father-in-law talked, not about what would happen in our bedroom, but what would happen in my wife’s heart if I served her every day.
How To Serve
My friend Billy Patterson, who patiently mentored me for years on how to be a husband, later put it to me this way: “Out serve your wife.” He described how he woke up every morning and scanned the house looking for ways he could make his wife’s life easier or better.
Billy and my father-in-law are onto something, men. Make the kids’ lunches the night before so she has one less thing to do the next morning. Empty the litter box. Mow the yard. Run her a bath and make her some tea when the kids go to bed.
And sometimes, when you can, take the whole day off, put the cell phone in a drawer somewhere, close the laptop, take her to lunch, catch up on that list of home repairs, or just do whatever she wants to do.
Do this without being asked to and without calling attention to what you’ve done. Doesn’t sex mean more to you if you don’t have to ask your wife for it and she doesn’t act like it was a chore on her list?
My father-in-law admitted that it’s hard for a man to serve his wife without expectations of sexual reciprocation. Darn near impossible. But as much as a man can, he has to try to serve his wife just because he loves her, he said.
That advice was well worth the awkward.
My phone’s off. I’ve got a light fixture to replace and a bathroom to clean.
JessicaBowman says:
You sure do know your momblogger demographic.
Let the Amens begin!
Karen says:
Shaun! Oh my goodness, I thought someone had somehow stolen my identity for a few paragraphs there. Because a little over twelve years ago, I sat in my last premarital counseling session with my future spouse and MY future father-in-law who was saying the most awkward words about sexual intimacy. Unlike you, I was far too panicked to even listen, especially when he started saying things like “Now, what we have enjoyed over the years….” Blech!!! π
Anyways, perhaps we need to start a recovery group.
Thanks again for your words,
Karen
Katie says:
Awesome! π
Kristie says:
I’ll be linking to your post on Facebook so my church friends can see it. Our pastor is in the Philippines on a missions trip this week and next, and the guy who filled in for him yesterday preached on marriage. He said a lot of what you said–also talked about the importance of meeting your husband’s, um, “needs”, and then he sent all the kids out with one of the elders for a few minutes…and told the remaining adults that the challenge for the week was for every married couple to have sex (at least) 3 times before next Sunday. I. am. not. kidding…right there, from the pulpit. Yeah–by the time our church folk were done with lunch @ Sonny’s or Pizza Hut, there were couples from other churches who had gladly accepted the challenge, too. Some of the guys who usually text through the message said it was the best sermon they’d ever hear.
Michelle ~ Blogging from the Boonies says:
Wow, what a challenge!
Soooo, who else is in? π
lara says:
Oh I get it, “mantastic.” From a girl’s perspective, “amen.” So true. And for the ladies in the house, may we girls not guard “it” like a reward only to be given if the man serves us enough. Thanks for your perspective, as always, Shaun.
Faye says:
Amen!
Shea says:
The wisdom of Lara is shared once again! Thanks to both of you for your words on one area that Christians often neglect in their marriage discussions.
Sarah says:
AMEN!
jennibell says:
Thank you for keeping us ladies straight too Lara!!!
jay sauser says:
Good stuff man. Good stuff. i needed a reminder like this today.
Janet Oberholtzer says:
I think you’ve been reading how-to-articles about writing catchy blog titles π
Now how do I get my husband to read this article without sounding like I’m nagging/hinting/demanding … hmm
Princess Leia says:
If you figure that out, let the rest of us know!
Angela says:
I think the idea from our perspective should be the other side of that coin.
Instead of “but what would happen in my wifeβs heart if I served her every day” we could think about “but what would happen in my husband’s heart if I had sex with him often”.
Instead of “itβs hard for a man to serve his wife without expectations of sexual reciprocation. Darn near impossible. But as much as a man can, he has to try to serve his wife just because he loves her” we can think about “itβs hard for a woman to have lots of sex without expectations of beings served as reciprocation. Darn near impossible. But as much as a woman can, she has to try to serve her husband just because she loves him.”
Janet Oberholtzer says:
Agree with you.
I’ve been there, done that … and now would like it reversed for a change.
Sarah says:
You don’t! You remember YOUR part! π I recently read a useful line for wives: “When you aren’t interested in sex, at least be interested in him enough to give HIM good sex!” π
Dan says:
You tell him you found an article about how to spice up your sex life…he will read it for sure π
Cate says:
Pretty intense, but oh so true! After 28 yrs of marriage it would certainly be nice to get some “real sex” instead of just “sex”! I have been working on this whole serving thing recently in an attempt to get my marriage back on track. It’s a very hard thing to do when your spouse is unsaved, but the hope is by setting a Godly example a change can occur.
Amy says:
Prayers for you. My mom deals with the same thing, an unsaved spouse.
Jessica says:
But wait, it’s not Wednesday! π
Shayne says:
*sigh* You win. Best comment.
laura@lifeoverseas says:
What a funny post. Some of the best marriage/sex advice I’ve ever heard is:
“If either one of you thinks you have a problem in your sex life, then you do, indeed, have a problem in your sex life.”
Takes away the whole, “It’s your issue, not mine,” mentality.
Thanks for the fun post. π
Kyle Reed says:
That would be the most awkward situation ever. It was awkward hearing it from my dad, let alone your future father in law. But it sounds like he is a very wise man.
Thanks for sharing. It was not awkward hearing it from you
Kelly @ Love Well says:
This is an unusual post for a Mom blogger. But then again, you are an unusual Mom blogger.
My Dad is a pastor. We did our pre-marriage counseling with someone else, even though he did the ceremony. Because…. Well, I think you just described it.
(My husband’s parents didn’t talk about sex either, preferring instead to give him a book on how hamsters reproduce. For the win!)
Wes says:
My wife’s father was also our pre-marriage counselor… So I know the feeling!
It’s crazy that you mention this topic because I am reading (actually listening to the audio book) His Needs, Her Needs by Willard Harley and it talks about this exact same subject… but he doesn’t call it “foreplay”.
Great article and if you’re reading this an want a more comprehensive resource on the subject I highly recommend His Needs, Her Needs (building an affair proof marriage).
Kelli says:
For the record I would die 1000 horrible deaths if either my father or my father-in-law had that talk with me and my husband way back when. So kudos to you for surviving. And for sharing great advice. You are fast becoming the most popular mom blogger on the block! π
Karo says:
” Iβm not entirely convinced they know how my sister and I got here.” Ha!
Possibly one of my favorite blog posts ever. And I don’t even have a husband. Well, at home anyway. π
Erin says:
This is hysterical. I love it!
Michelle says:
Fantastic advice. Love this.
My husband serves me beautifully and I am so thankful for him every day.
He. Is. The. Love. Of. My. Life.
I’m crazy about him.
Neither of our parents talked about the “S” word to us either. Instead my husbands father on the day before our wedding walked into the christian bookstore that my husband worked at and gave him a book wrapped in a brown paper sack.
Blushing my father in law pushed it into his sons hands and said “Your mother and I learned a thing or two from this.” Then turned and walked out.
He didn’t give my husband much information but he did give us a great story and years of giggles.
Peace to you.
Michelle
Amy says:
WELL? What book was it? LOL!
Michelle ~ Blogging from the Boonies says:
lol We are two peas in a pod. I was wondering the same thing!! π
michelle says:
Ha! I had forgotten the name so I didn’t add it in my response. But now I’ve jogged my third trimester brain and remember…… it was Intended for Pleasure, I don’t remember who wrote it. It was old 15 years ago so it’s ancient now π
Amy says:
Oh, grief! I wonder if any of the information in it is relevant to today. LOL!
Rebecca says:
It is still applicable today. I got it from my sister when I got married 16 years ago, but just took it out again. I wished I had spent more time reading it 16 years ago!
suzannah {so much shouting, so much laughter} says:
as i remember, that book uses the word “frigidity” as a clinical word. ugh. and booo.
i like shaun’s f-i-l advice waaaay better. a “frigid” woman just needs a little serving!
Jenny says:
oh my gosh – I would have dug a hole and hid there if one of my folks was in a pre-marriage session talking about this stuff… π
would.have.died!
sarah valente says:
Can I send you my husband’s phone #, Shaun?;)
Michelle ~ Blogging from the Boonies says:
What an interesting blog post to read while my kids run around and cause mayhem in the same room! (“Mom, why are you turning red?” lol)
Anyway, we just started a great Bible study at our church and last night was the second night. Our Pastor’s Wife is teaching about God’s Purpose for Women and I come out of the teaching with a deep desire to be a true “help-meet” for my amazing husband. Help-meet means to “come along side, fit, suitable, counterpart” etc. which means meeting those needs even if we are tired, cranky, so on and so on.
Anyway, this is all to say, my husband really likes Sunday nights. So do I.
Karina says:
I have a couple of thoughts here.
Having a husband who has a servant’s heart is great, but it’s not a turn on for me. While I don’t really disagree with what this post says, I really think it depends more on one’s love language. My husband can/will serve me all day long, but he tends to do, do, do, do without ever speaking to me. My love language is quality time. He’d get much farther along in foreplay with me if he’d sit and tell me about his day and let me tell him about mine. The flip side of that is that if I’d do things to serve him, he’s more apt to talk to me.
Second, I have found recently that sex isn’t really about me getting what I want or him getting what he wants. Sex in marriage is an act of worship. It’s the image of Christ and the church becoming one. It’s the unselfish act of giving oneself completely in sacrifice to another. A picture of our desire to unite with Christ and his unquenchable passion for his people.
When I started viewing things in this way, my desire for my husband not only increased but it stopped being about what he did or did not do for me, and started being about how I could please my Savior in this area of my marriage.
And my husband is not unhappy about the change either! π
Robin L says:
Well said, Karina. My thought originally after reading was that this post, while true in part (men should serve their wives and it does make you feel appreciated), makes me as a woman feel like I’ve been painted with a “simple” brush – like one who can be manipulated or convinced by being served?
We are much more complicated – as designed by God – and your explanation of sex being an act of worship is spot on. God has given us the formula –
Submission is mutual.
Husbands love your wives in the same way Christ loves the Church.
Wives respect your husbands.
These were the facets of relationship that were lost in the fall. But these can be restored, thank God. And communication is a huge part, as is time spent together. Sex is a very important part of relationship between husband and wife and while we can learn the needs of each other, please don’t wash the dishes just to get her to hop in the sack.
Tracy says:
I think the idea is not that women can be painted with a ‘simple’ brush and swooned simply by being served, but that ALL people, including men, feel love by the intentional actions of someone else. It’s the basis of romance-intentional forethought for the purpose of bringing joy to a significant other. No strings attached. Marriage is not a series of “if…then” statements. Love one another, enjoy one another, serve one another.
EMBG says:
Well said.
But when he spends time with you, he IS serving you! Perhaps that’s where Shaun and his father-in-law are being limited in their examples.
See, I’m just a novice at this marriage thing, but I think the key is to seek to outdo EACH OTHER in service to one another. And you have to KNOW your spouse to know what serves him or her. There are general principles we can learn, but nothing substitutes for knowing YOUR spouse.
Love languages matter. Both my husband and I have physical touch as our primary love language. That makes foreplay easy. But our secondary language differs. His is words of affirmation. He melts when I encourage him. It’s sweet and it makes me think twice before being even a little harsh because that’s so devastating for him. Mine is quality time because I value my time so much and so I value it when he spends time with me.
As a newlywed, I don’t think i quite grasp how hard it will be to serve my husband sometimes. Unlike what Angela describes (and what I’ve heard from numerous other wives), I’ve never felt a quid pro quo between acts of service and sex in our relationship. And what a blessing that has been. I so want to continue serving him as unto the Lord… and of course that’s a lot easier when he has the same goal!
Murray Lahn says:
Wonderful article. Wonderful advice!!
I was in the same boat. My father-in-law did our pre-marital counselling as well, and gave us the same advice. It’s the best advice we got!!
Amy says:
I have been reading a great book on my Kindle: What Wives Wish their husbands knew about Sex by Ryan Howes and Stephen Simpson. Funny thing is, HIS father in law did their pre-marital counseling too. And yes, this book is geared for guys, but I told my husband I was reading it first to make sure I agreed. π There is some great information in this book. Annnnnnd…. I am printing this out and giving it to my husband. For the past 2 weeks, I have been getting up and making breakfast every day. He says he doesn’t know how to outserve me. LOL.
Amy says:
Oh and I love this post, because the sex issue has been on my heart lately. I have been tempted to ask for prayers for it, but have never found a way to ask for them without being embarrassed. So… your post is timely.
Michelle ~ Blogging from the Boonies says:
Well, you’ve been added to “my list”, friend! π
misty says:
Awesome post! I am very blessed to have a husband who outserves me daily.
I find this post to be SO true!
cara says:
Hilarious.
I could never EVER sit through a “sex talk” with my FIL. Come to think of it, neither could he. I’m married to a Mennonite – they don’t mention sex to their children either, ever. They just send the kids out to do the chores and hope they figure it out by watching the farm animals. They do. However, a book on technique comes in handy, as foreplay isn’t generally part of a bull’s approach to a cow. Ahem.
So I’m just going to put this out there:
Not all men are dying to “get some” and not all women are reluctant and waiting for their to-do list to be filled first. It was extremely painful for me in our first, oh, TEN years of marriage for me to wonder what was wrong with me when my husband wasn’t your “typical guy” and I was the one trying to initiate in our marriage bed. All the Christian marriage books take usual approach and I was really left wondering if I had married the only guy who never wanted to have sex.
Turns out, MEN sometimes want to be cherished and served too. In our marriage, our bedroom is always a reflection of the state of affairs outside those doors. If the “engine” of the marriage is sputtering, the “caboose” (sex) isn’t going too far either.
Just sayin’ in case there’s other women out there in the same place I was. You ain’t the only one, sister!
Kris says:
Cara-
Thanks for putting this out there for those of us who are in that boat.
Amy says:
My sister has the same situation.
EMBG says:
Amen, sister. Thanks for taking on the stereotypes (those of us who don’t fit them are sometimes forced to)!
JessicaBowman says:
Can open…
…worms … everywhere.
π
Sara says:
My thoughts exactly!
Sara says:
Great post, Shaun! Reminds me of a podcast I heard by Ravi Zacharias once, “I Isaac, Take thee, Rebekah” (there’s a book too). My husband and I listened to it while traveling to our honeymoon destination. How’s that for a way to start a honeymoon!
Jason Cormier says:
Well that was kind of timely.
Bernard Shuford says:
Sure are a lot of ladies who read this blog. Daggum. Sounds like Shaun’s preaching to the choir, or something like that π
Regardless, once again, you’ve written a post that is incredibly applicable for moi. Thanks.
Colicmommy says:
Cara, right on. Same situation for me. My hubs has a lower sex drive. I finally figured out his love language isn’t being served, isn’t talking, isn’t cuddling, isn’t SEX,….it’s quality time, his way. Doing things that he likes and enjoying them (or pretending to). Like going to sports games with him, or going to the shooting range with him. It’s not a fix-all, but when we’ve spent a lot of time doing “his stuff” together, he’s much more interested in sex.
Cathy says:
I’m reading your blog for the first time – and I WILL BE BACK! Oh, and I’m bringing Brandt to read too π
Thanks for a great blog post – and even better advice!!
Cath
Augie says:
Such a good entry!
I’m not married, but I’ll definitely remember the advice and pass it along when the time is right.
I’ve been reading your blog for 3 or 4 years, but I don’t think I’ve ever posted. I think I’m just intimidated by the vast sea of women.
Natalie says:
Preach! Awesome post!!
Wendy says:
So, do most women feel that sex is a chore? I think having a great relationship in general (and obviously sharing in the housework is a big part, but, oh, there’s so much more) is great foreplay. My man must be awesome because I initiate it as much as he does. Maybe that’s the way to keep from wanting sex in reciprocity. To not do one (or three) thing(s) and think that you deserve a gold star for it. Instead, simply be a generous partner. All. The. Time.
Also, had I ever received sexual advice from my in-laws, that would be like permanent anti-foreplay. I’m not sure I could recover.
Sacha says:
This is called CHOREPLAY. And you’re right, it works.
Amy Lynne says:
You have a wise father-in-law! Thanks for sharing!
Jennifer says:
Oh, my goodness! This was fabulous! I was “amen-ing” while I was rolling on the floor laughing! Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!
Now if I could just figure out a nonchalant way to get my husband to read this. Any suggestions?
I will definitely add your blog to my “must read” list.
se7en says:
Oh I love a mom blogger who calls a spade a spade. I got a book on the human body for my thirteenth birthday – ho hum… the human lung, the skeleton and um a quarter paragraph on the reproductive system… and how my Mom slipped that one past my Dad will remain a mystery!!! Anyway I think what I must take from your post is that I should take my husband sweet and rare acts of service for what they are!!! Not so much acts of service – but that other thing!!!
Sarah m says:
@Cara
Thank you! It can be so demoralizing and heart wrenching to be a wife with a higher drive than your husband. ‘what’s wrong with me? Aren’t I pretty (sexy, fun, attractive…)? All men want sex all the time, if he doesn’t, it must be a judgement on me!’
For me, it’s not just the physical act, it creates a sense of closeness, a sense of intimacy, that can’t be replicated with anything else in our marriage so, when he shuts me down, it feels like he’s choosing to shut down our most valuable line of communication.
After 7 years, we’re making progress and, it’s not like he NEVER initiates or wants sex, it’s just that, if it’s not a pressing physical urge, he doesn’t seem to see the need for it. Oh well, we have an eternity to progress and grow together. We’ll figure it out eventually!
Brook says:
It’s been my experience as a wife, woman, and mother that I have difficulty switching between roles. My husband has a lot less difficulty with that.
If I am distracted by a laundry list of chores, then I am distracted from being “in the mood.” So, his doing what he can to eliminate other distractions is only going to work in his favor.
Jen says:
This totally resonates with me! I find it so hard to “turn off” in order to “get turned on”. Especially since my husband travels a lot and usually comes home in the mood after a few weeks away that have felt like an eternity to me – filled with dirty diapers, dishes, laundry, cooking, cleaning, shopping, juggling activities and generally being 2 parents!
Luckily he is figuring this out – but is has taken some time π
R. Francis says:
Great advice, I am marking this post to share at a later date with my sons! Thanks
Trish says:
I’ve been trying to tell men this for years! I’m bookmarking this so I have proof the next time π
JessicaB says:
And proof from a guy rocking a mohawk, no less!
That ups the respectability ante by like….3.
vanessa @ silly eagle books says:
That first paragraph made me laugh outloud!
wanda says:
In the words of Emeril….”BAM! KICK IT UP A NOTCH!!”
Now that’s my kind of marriage advice! Love it!
Rena says:
And all the women said, “AMEN!”
Preach the truth, Brother! My Pastor constantly encourages us to out-bless each other in marriage. Come to think of it, I’ve got some work to do. Not all marriages are stereotypical, you know? π
Ruth Hill says:
I was in a marriage for 10 years where sex was something I didn’t get without working very hard for it. I sometimes think I am abnormal because I as a woman crave sex and can almost be turned on in a heartbeat. It’s really hard when you are not married any more and now single to not have sex on your mind–or at least in my case. It is a temptation, and as I think back, it is definitely a thermometer in marriage. When things aren’t right in the marriage, I think you tend to notice it first in the bedroom!
Deborah says:
So that is why my husband has been doing the dishes and the laundry and the cooking!!!!!