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		<title>By: Abbie</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-48776</link>
		<dc:creator>Abbie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 02 Jan 2013 17:13:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I came over from Chatting at the Sky. I&#039;ve been hearing a few of your thoughts while reading Jen Hatmaker recently. Oh my. My life has recently had an unexpected downward turn. Less stuff, less space, less freedom, less options. And even as I&#039;ve grieved the loss of home and friends and respect, I&#039;ve wondered if there isn&#039;t real freedom if that is left behind. And Jesus. There is Jesus.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I came over from Chatting at the Sky. I&#8217;ve been hearing a few of your thoughts while reading Jen Hatmaker recently. Oh my. My life has recently had an unexpected downward turn. Less stuff, less space, less freedom, less options. And even as I&#8217;ve grieved the loss of home and friends and respect, I&#8217;ve wondered if there isn&#8217;t real freedom if that is left behind. And Jesus. There is Jesus.</p>
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		<title>By: Mindy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-48775</link>
		<dc:creator>Mindy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 18:41:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[When I keep my eyes, my focus, my purpose, on and about Jesus I am content living with less.  And when I live with less I have more.  It&#039;s when my eyes wander, my focus shifts, my purpose wanes that I seek things - when really all I am really desiring is more of Him.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I keep my eyes, my focus, my purpose, on and about Jesus I am content living with less.  And when I live with less I have more.  It&#8217;s when my eyes wander, my focus shifts, my purpose wanes that I seek things &#8211; when really all I am really desiring is more of Him.</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hay</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-48636</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 14:05:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The challenge for me in this is am I where I should be, doing what God wants me to, am I using my resources in the way He wants me to be it money, food, my home, the skills and abilities I have and the gifts He has given me?

If I am, am I willing to follow where He would lead me be it continuing as I am or moving, doing what I am doing or something different, be it with all of my life or just a part of it?

If I am genuine in my desire to be a disciple, a servant even then I give up my right to make those decisions, instead it is His will not mine... as Jesus prayed on the cross, and for Jesus that meant pain and suffering and even separation. If He did that then what right do I have to say no when a servant, even a slave has no rights, only to do what the Master says. I know we are also sons of the Living God but then so was Jesus and He held nothing back. 

I wonder if part of our problem is that we see what we have as ours, our families, homes, cars, jobs, money, free time, lives... rather than God&#039;s. In the early Church the attitude was to share everything and to help those in need and Godly men were appointed to oversee this including Stephen who was then stoned to death. Is what I have mine or am I just the steward, holding lightly to it so it can be used as the Master says? 

We have been fed a diet of God is so good to us and will heal us and give us every good thing that we need and somewhere down the way lost the fact that good things included discipline, for Jesus and many others through the ages it has meant torture and death, good for them? well they got to go to Heaven, is there anything better? We can see our lives down here as something that is all important rather than just a transient moment in time compared to the time we will spend in Heaven. It is such a short time here on earth we need to make the best use of it and if that means pain and suffering to refine us then surely that is for our good.

I pray that I will truly submit to God as my Lord and Master, piece my ear as the image of old when the freed slave chose to continue to serve their master put their head to a door post and a hole was made in their ear by driving a nail or something through it. Painful temporarily and a lasting mark showing that it was not their will they served but the will of their Master. As it says in the prayer Jesus taught, &#039;Your will be done... &#039; not mine and if that means I suffer here on earth now then so be it as it will be for my good, if it means I am blessed here on earth so be it as it will be for my good but I should treat each the same and seek to serve God with all I am and all I have in the hopes that on the day of judgement I will hear the Lord say ... good and faithful servant.. when I stand before Him... that is my desire.

hope you don&#039;t mind me rambling on like this here, helps me think things through and it was your posting that provoked this so I blame you... lol 

May God our father protect you and bless you greatly.

Andy]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The challenge for me in this is am I where I should be, doing what God wants me to, am I using my resources in the way He wants me to be it money, food, my home, the skills and abilities I have and the gifts He has given me?</p>
<p>If I am, am I willing to follow where He would lead me be it continuing as I am or moving, doing what I am doing or something different, be it with all of my life or just a part of it?</p>
<p>If I am genuine in my desire to be a disciple, a servant even then I give up my right to make those decisions, instead it is His will not mine&#8230; as Jesus prayed on the cross, and for Jesus that meant pain and suffering and even separation. If He did that then what right do I have to say no when a servant, even a slave has no rights, only to do what the Master says. I know we are also sons of the Living God but then so was Jesus and He held nothing back. </p>
<p>I wonder if part of our problem is that we see what we have as ours, our families, homes, cars, jobs, money, free time, lives&#8230; rather than God&#8217;s. In the early Church the attitude was to share everything and to help those in need and Godly men were appointed to oversee this including Stephen who was then stoned to death. Is what I have mine or am I just the steward, holding lightly to it so it can be used as the Master says? </p>
<p>We have been fed a diet of God is so good to us and will heal us and give us every good thing that we need and somewhere down the way lost the fact that good things included discipline, for Jesus and many others through the ages it has meant torture and death, good for them? well they got to go to Heaven, is there anything better? We can see our lives down here as something that is all important rather than just a transient moment in time compared to the time we will spend in Heaven. It is such a short time here on earth we need to make the best use of it and if that means pain and suffering to refine us then surely that is for our good.</p>
<p>I pray that I will truly submit to God as my Lord and Master, piece my ear as the image of old when the freed slave chose to continue to serve their master put their head to a door post and a hole was made in their ear by driving a nail or something through it. Painful temporarily and a lasting mark showing that it was not their will they served but the will of their Master. As it says in the prayer Jesus taught, &#8216;Your will be done&#8230; &#8216; not mine and if that means I suffer here on earth now then so be it as it will be for my good, if it means I am blessed here on earth so be it as it will be for my good but I should treat each the same and seek to serve God with all I am and all I have in the hopes that on the day of judgement I will hear the Lord say &#8230; good and faithful servant.. when I stand before Him&#8230; that is my desire.</p>
<p>hope you don&#8217;t mind me rambling on like this here, helps me think things through and it was your posting that provoked this so I blame you&#8230; lol </p>
<p>May God our father protect you and bless you greatly.</p>
<p>Andy</p>
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		<title>By: Andy Hay</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-48635</link>
		<dc:creator>Andy Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 13:31:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know I am a long time after the event but what saddens me the most is that the church they attended and the Christians they knew were unable to support an help them. If they had been faithful to God in all they did God would not punish them. We can get caught up with the needs of this world including health care costs and funding pensions and these things are not wrong in themselves as long as they are part of the plan God has for us at that time. We often pray the prayer Jesus taught [hopefully] give us today our daily bread and in the wilderness the Jews were given only Manna for that day, we can get caught up in the ways of the society we live in and look to create our own security not reliance on God. This is not to judge the decisions or the lifestyle of the 2 ministers and their wives as God does not promise us an easy or trouble free life. I am just worried about that poor woman and her husband and what support the church they were part of provided as we can get caught up in the ways of our culture and neglect the teaching in Acts where the apostles appointed men to oversee the well being of the the believers and everything was shared. If someone in my church is hungry do I have any responsibility?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know I am a long time after the event but what saddens me the most is that the church they attended and the Christians they knew were unable to support an help them. If they had been faithful to God in all they did God would not punish them. We can get caught up with the needs of this world including health care costs and funding pensions and these things are not wrong in themselves as long as they are part of the plan God has for us at that time. We often pray the prayer Jesus taught [hopefully] give us today our daily bread and in the wilderness the Jews were given only Manna for that day, we can get caught up in the ways of the society we live in and look to create our own security not reliance on God. This is not to judge the decisions or the lifestyle of the 2 ministers and their wives as God does not promise us an easy or trouble free life. I am just worried about that poor woman and her husband and what support the church they were part of provided as we can get caught up in the ways of our culture and neglect the teaching in Acts where the apostles appointed men to oversee the well being of the the believers and everything was shared. If someone in my church is hungry do I have any responsibility?</p>
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		<title>By: Going lower &#124; Boo: Compelled to Love</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-46273</link>
		<dc:creator>Going lower &#124; Boo: Compelled to Love</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 02 Aug 2012 23:45:52 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] does it mean to be called to go lower, to be servant? This post has me thinking a lot about what it means to be called to go lower. What does it look like doing less or doing less that is seen. I keep going back to this [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Alyson Ferren</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-44533</link>
		<dc:creator>Alyson Ferren</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 14:18:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[About 9 months ago, we were &quot;led&quot; to resign from the church we pastored.  We has pastored for 20 years, 6 of them here.  We had no job to go to, we just knew that for the benefit of our family, he needed to stop down.  The way the Lord took care of us in that time was phenomenal.  He drew us so close to Him we wondered why He hadn&#039;t led us there before.  Anyway, we made decisions during that time.  I am a stay at home mom, my son is homeschooled, my daughter is still in public.  We decided that we would try to keep their lives as normal as possible, and I would not go back to work.  The Lord gave my husband a job at the V.A.  His salary is half of what he was making while pastoring.  We have adjusted, sacrificed things, learned a new way of doing things.  And it is all worth it.  Our family is so much healthier, less stressed, my kids got their dad back.  I believe that downward mobility is the way to go.  It is what God wants for us, to be less dependent on us, and all dependent on Him.  Thank you for this post.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>About 9 months ago, we were &#8220;led&#8221; to resign from the church we pastored.  We has pastored for 20 years, 6 of them here.  We had no job to go to, we just knew that for the benefit of our family, he needed to stop down.  The way the Lord took care of us in that time was phenomenal.  He drew us so close to Him we wondered why He hadn&#8217;t led us there before.  Anyway, we made decisions during that time.  I am a stay at home mom, my son is homeschooled, my daughter is still in public.  We decided that we would try to keep their lives as normal as possible, and I would not go back to work.  The Lord gave my husband a job at the V.A.  His salary is half of what he was making while pastoring.  We have adjusted, sacrificed things, learned a new way of doing things.  And it is all worth it.  Our family is so much healthier, less stressed, my kids got their dad back.  I believe that downward mobility is the way to go.  It is what God wants for us, to be less dependent on us, and all dependent on Him.  Thank you for this post.</p>
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		<title>By: running through my head &#8211; musts &#171; Daily Bread &#38; Butter</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-44519</link>
		<dc:creator>running through my head &#8211; musts &#171; Daily Bread &#38; Butter</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 08:15:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Service has been on my mind this week, then I read this by Shaun Groves &#8211; you need to read this especially if you are someone who considers [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Arcelia</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-44514</link>
		<dc:creator>Arcelia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 01 Jun 2012 02:25:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[What a wonderful post!!  I especially like how you ended it...
&quot;Forward or backward. Up or down. More or less. Follow.&quot;

Yes...follow Jesus Christ and obey the voice and conviction of the Holy Spirit not man...keep our eyes fixed on Jesus Christ, the Author and Perfecter of faith and run the race marked out before us and do not look left and right and say like Peter...what about that man...Jesus wil respond the same:

Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!”  John 21:22
 
Thank you for this succint, thought provoking post...a few Scriptures that came to remembrance as I read are: 

Samuel said, &quot;Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. 1 Samuel 15:22

&quot;But if you had known what this means, &#039;I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,&#039; you would not have condemned the innocent. Matthew 12:7

AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE&#039;S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.&quot; Mark 12:33

“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13)

&quot;But many who are first will be last, and the last, first.”
Mark 10:31]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What a wonderful post!!  I especially like how you ended it&#8230;<br />
&#8220;Forward or backward. Up or down. More or less. Follow.&#8221;</p>
<p>Yes&#8230;follow Jesus Christ and obey the voice and conviction of the Holy Spirit not man&#8230;keep our eyes fixed on Jesus Christ, the Author and Perfecter of faith and run the race marked out before us and do not look left and right and say like Peter&#8230;what about that man&#8230;Jesus wil respond the same:</p>
<p>Jesus said to him, “If I want him to remain until I come, what is that to you? You follow Me!”  John 21:22</p>
<p>Thank you for this succint, thought provoking post&#8230;a few Scriptures that came to remembrance as I read are: </p>
<p>Samuel said, &#8220;Has the LORD as much delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to heed than the fat of rams. 1 Samuel 15:22</p>
<p>&#8220;But if you had known what this means, &#8216;I DESIRE COMPASSION, AND NOT A SACRIFICE,&#8217; you would not have condemned the innocent. Matthew 12:7</p>
<p>AND TO LOVE HIM WITH ALL THE HEART AND WITH ALL THE UNDERSTANDING AND WITH ALL THE STRENGTH, AND TO LOVE ONE&#8217;S NEIGHBOR AS HIMSELF, is much more than all burnt offerings and sacrifices.&#8221; Mark 12:33</p>
<p>“Greater love has no one than this, that one lay down his life for his friends” (John 15:13)</p>
<p>&#8220;But many who are first will be last, and the last, first.”<br />
Mark 10:31</p>
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		<title>By: Karen</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-44503</link>
		<dc:creator>Karen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 19:05:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[To live with less, but do more with my life while working full-time ministry is my goal! It would mean my currently miniscule paycheck would would be less to non-existenet, But, I would be able to do more for Him!!! 
What else could I ask for?!?!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To live with less, but do more with my life while working full-time ministry is my goal! It would mean my currently miniscule paycheck would would be less to non-existenet, But, I would be able to do more for Him!!!<br />
What else could I ask for?!?!</p>
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		<title>By: Stan Peters</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2012/05/downward-mobility/#comment-44478</link>
		<dc:creator>Stan Peters</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 31 May 2012 03:31:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Now that is thought provoking.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Now that is thought provoking.</p>
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