“‘Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your strength and with all your mind’ ; and, ‘Love your neighbor as yourself.’ ”
-Jesus (Luke 10:27)
Thia Shenk wrote the third article in the school paper. My favorite.
She joined the circle of students I was talking with after I stepped off stage at the coffeehouse. I shook her hand. “I loved your article,” I said. “You’re a gifted writer and I appreciate your honesty and maturity. You disagreed with me, but you were mature enough to realize that God could still speak to you in spite of me.”
I thanked Thia for reteaching me that God doesn’t stop doing good when I do what I do badly.
Her article is the recipe for peace that inspired this whole series of posts, the roadmap I’ve followed.
First, she respectfully disagreed with me and honestly shared her feelings.
Listening to Shaun Groves speak in chapel yesterday, I was torn between an impulse to dissent and an inclination to awe.
I was angry with the worn-out language he used to talk about what we are saved from. I was worried about the picture of hell that he first mocked and then elevated to the status of half the gospel. Finally, I was disappointed when the culmination of his message was an appeal for money. These discordant voices in my head tempted me to wave his message off as an inadequate metaphor and head to the cafeteria to dissect his ideas over pirogues with my friends.
While Thia was “angry”, “worried” and “disappointed,” I was too. Well, instead of “angry” I’d substitue “baffled.” I was disappointed that no students hung around to talk to me after chapel, not even to say hello, even though the chaplain set up a generous spread of coffee and hot chocolate and invited students to dialogue or just say “hi.” I was disappointed that so few children were sponsored too. I was baffled because neither of these things had ever happened before. I worried that it was because I’d communicated poorly, inadvertently offended, or crossed some Mennonite theological line I was ignorant of.
Thia and I are human. And this is what humans do: we have expectations of one another and when reality doesn’t meet those expectations we feel all kinds of bad. But we get to choose how we’ll respond.
Thia chose to find common ground and something to affirm and celebrate.
But an equal and opposite voice urged me to pay attention to something deeper than the rhetoric; to see his plug for Compassion International as one suggestion for how to live the kingdom, rather than the propagandized conclusion of his speech. Some Spirit drew my attention to the importance of Shaun’s double-edged gospel.
Coming from a conservative background, I am often aware of the poverty of transformative, grace-based theology at EMU. On the other hand, I love being part of a circle that challenges me to think and live the present kingdom (God’s will on earth as it is in heaven). Listening to Shaun speak reminded me that these two conceptions of the “good news” do not need to be in conflict with each other; in fact they may be essentially interdependent.
When it was time to talk about what had been written in the school paper with students at the coffeehouse, I didn’t want to. I didn’t want to be disagreed with. I didn’t want to fail. I’d done my best and it made a mess. I was afraid I’d only make it worse. But I did it anyway and I’m glad. Because it was there that we found common ground, again, and again. And I discovered things about the students at EMU worth celebrating.
Tolerance is not love. Tolerance allows two people to merely exist together. Thia didn’t tolerate me. She loved me. And loved God.
She closed her article with a confession and a plea. And I will close this series the same way.
“In academic settings, the temptation is to show your intelligence by dissent. But it may take even more intelligence to know what is worth affirming, to be able to pick out what is good and beautiful in a discourse and approach it with awe. This is the point I am trying to make: As we go into the rest of Spiritual Life Week, as we navigate the tension of an institution both academic and spiritual, do not be overcome with dissension. Let yourself be uncomfortable, sure. Dissect what you hear and cut out what rings false, certainly. But remain open to a Spirit that speaks even through failed metaphors. Welcome awe in the face of truth.”
Now it’s my turn.
In evangelical Christian circles, the temptation is to demonstrate our love of truth by allowing no dissent. The more popular our blog, our books, our speaking, our music, our church – sadly – the less likely we are to scrutinize our lives and beliefs honestly, to pick out what is good and beautiful in other points of view. This is the point I’m trying to make: As we all go through life, as we navigate the tension between feelings and intellect and faith, we must not become so defensive that we are unable to learn and to love. We must love God with all we are and love our neighbor.
Peace is a choice.
It starts with dialogue. Moves on to common ground. Then affirmation and celebration of what is true and good. Then we listen and learn, knowing that God can speak at anytime through anyone. Peace may not end with much agreement, but with relationship that makes both parties better.
- I bought a book from the seminary at EMU called Preaching the Atonement
. It’s teaching me how to communicate Jesus in biblical, but I hope clearer ways.
- The students at EMU, led by faculty, are gathering on a regular basis now for “interfaith dialogue.” Students of all backgrounds are invited to discuss differences, find common ground, affirm and celebrate what can be, and move from tolerance to relationship.
- I’m still in conversation with the students at EMU via e-mail. So many that I’m behind on responding! A few Mennonites wrote, wanting to be sure I (and you) know that the few students who bravely spoke up at the coffeehouse do not represent the majority of Mennonites or students at EMU. A few evangelicals wrote to say they are openly evangelical with friends at EMU for the first time now. The young man who spoke first at the microphone that night at the coffeehouse has e-mailed me a few times and promises to explain his theology a bit better soon, after exams are over. I will continue to be in relationship with the students of EMU.
- I will continue to be accountable to EMU’s chaplain, learning from him whatever I can. He and I have a phone call this Thursday to talk through my visit to EMU and all the great dialogue on campus since.
After several hours at the coffeehouse I was ready for bed. But a couple students asked me to play a song I once wrote for my enemies first. So I sat at the upright and someone pulled up the lyrics on their iPad. College students sat and stood around the piano and I sang to God a prayer for forgiveness and change and love and peace. Cross-shaped.
Thia listened and smiled. I did too.





So thankful, so very, very thankful for this dialogue. Thanks for giving it so much time and sharing in such detail. I needed this.
Me too, Brad.
Dang it! I thought I was gonna make it through this with a dry eye until I got to that last paragraph.
Sniff.
This is kingdom living right here, in this little post.
I’ve been waiting and checking and re-checking for this to go up…I knew it would be good, I didn’t know it would this…how can I put it…shifting in my heart…a sort of profound relief that I do not have to be right all of the time.
I can relax, listen, and question…and I can even be wrong…and it’s ok.
Thanks for that reminder. And my thanks to the students at EMU who participated and loved and talked through this thing with you. This is how unity begins…a bunch of eyes getting together with a bunch of fingers and agreeing that who we are and what we do are all important, but not as important as the Head.
Sorry it was late going up. I was traveling home. And then enjoying being home.
I love that last line of yours. Dead on. Thanks, Shayne.
What a HARD, wonderful way to learn so deeply about communicating with greater respect and love. God gifted you with a couple days of learning that would have probably taken half a lifetime for somebody to get under normal circumstances–if ever!
I like comparing from one time to the next when I watch you up on stage to see how you change and grow in the way you communicate what’s on your heart and what God’s teaching. It’ll be pretty cool the next time you come around here to see how this EMU milestone has shaped you.
You know, the biggest change so far is that I’m talking about Jesus more in concert. I realize now that I can’t assume everyone at a church knows who Jesus is. And I suppose I’ve always known that was a possibility…but not a probability.
I loved all of this. Thank you for the time and prayer you devoted to it. And another thank you to the students! I will continue to pray for all…for the dialogues and e-mails and relationships.
This series of posts has challenged me more than anything you’ve ever written in the past and that’s saying a lot because you’ve challenged me to go deeper with my faith significantly on a pretty regular basis…
“In evangelical Christian circles, the temptation is to demonstrate our love of truth by allowing no dissent. The more popular our blog, our books, our speaking, our music, our church – sadly – the less likely we are to scrutinize our lives and beliefs honestly, to pick out what is good and beautiful in other points of view” . . . THIS. My husband and I were just talking about this last night, about how many of our Christian friends seem to be huddled up into a circle of agreement, completely clueless (and perhaps even fearful?) of hearing from anyone who might disagree.
This was such a great series, and while I’m sure the experiences leading up to it must have been uncomfortable, I think there is so much for all of us to learn in the retelling.
Shaun ~
This has been a FABULOUS series that you wrote. Brought up some great conversation between my husband and myself ~ and hits so close to home {in more ways than one}.
I’ve read and seen some of the other articles in the student paper since then and know there was much support for you {even if it seemed otherwise at first}.
Thank you SO much for sharing this with us all and giving us a glimpse into your heart! I am so glad to hear too that it’s opened up more dialogue between you and other students there.
And I just love this quote: “Then we listen and learn, knowing that God can speak at anytime through anyone. Peace may not end with much agreement, but with relationship that makes both parties better.”
We’ll have plenty of time in Tanzania to talk about how all this hits close to home for you. I think there’s a 36 hour plane ride in there somewhere. ; )
Looking forward to it!
I was raised overseas in a missionary home where my dad was my pastor. I knew enough christian rhetoric to sound good, but I had NO idea why I believed what I said I believed. I certainly did not want to engage in arguments because I knew saying “Because my dad says so” would not cut it!
Thankfully, through the years God has grown me so much, but in reading your series I have been challenged in that I still have far to go. It is a good challenge.
I want to print out part 5 and really study the things that both they and you said. LOTS of food for thought in that post.
So, along with the others, thanks! Thanks for sharing. You could have so easily hidden it away, but we have learned much from your openness.
Blessings on you and your family as you prepare for Tanzania! Oh and btw….what ever happened with the mold issue?
Shaun
This has been a powerful, thought provoking series. Truely, you have given me much to think about. I am stirred to think through my faith … what do I believe and why? How do I balance faith in action? I spoke with our staff this morning and the power of the cross – vertical relationship and horizontal ones … our horizontal needs to be based on the vertical. Wow. Thanks and thanks for crafting, mining and digging through the soil of your own faith. Peace to you.
Simply beautiful…a message that hits so close to home for me these days. Thank you, Shaun, for taking your time with this, for telling us the whole story and for allowing us to learn alongside you.
The part you wrote after “And now it’s my turn” totally resonated with me. My brain hurts from all the discussions we’ve been having in my neck of the woods, and I spent half the afternoon on Sunday struggling to get into a book one of our pastors had lent me as his response to a question I asked him. It wasn’t until it dawned on me that I was hating the book not because it was necessarily bad and possibly heretical, but because I had already decided it was bad and probably heretical without giving it a fair chance. (This is a talent I have that really needs to go!) So, I’m working on my attitude, am committed to facing the book being “open to reason” as James says a wise person does, and am praying that God gets me wherever He wants me in the midst of this. I find it interesting that these topics of discussion seem to be happening everywhere. Makes me wonder why and for what purpose. I don’t have those answers, but am glad it does one thing…..it sure makes me dig into the Bible in search of wisdom and understanding.
If you’re ever in Southern Oregon Shaun, dinner is on me (hope you like Mexican food). Gotta get you out here for a concert at some point.
I’m rarely in Oregon. But I’d love to be. You can bring me out for free, ya know. booking@shaungroves.com.
Hope we can hang in person someday, Brad.
Thanks so much for this series. I sense hope for a change. That’s refreshing.
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God is great.
Perfect response.
Thank you Shaun for sharing! And bigger thanks to You, Jesus, for never failing to teach us, lead us, work with us, grow us, and change us to be like You! So glad we have a faithful Savoir, and a FAMILY in Him!
Emma
I will confess that I haven’t been around much lately, after having read your blog daily I kind of got distracted and hadn’t come back in awhile.
But something you posted on Facebook the other day brought me back here today… where you finished this series, a series that hits EXACTLY where I am at, and have been, grappling (and not well I may add) with the same struggles of theology and dealing with the themes of dissent, maturity, tolerance and love. A coincidence. Hah. I know better than that.
I’m going to print these posts out and read them again. And then I’m going to take them to my Life group so we can address some of this stuff together. Unity is important, and I didn’t know how to address the issues swirling in my heart until I read here.
This is the stuff – the meat – of the Gospel. I’ve known for a while that I need to get beyond “milk” and go deeper. After graduating from a secular college year before last, I can attest to how absolutely correct the author of that piece is when she says,
“In academic settings, the temptation is to show your intelligence by dissent.”
That pattern of learning (according to the world’s standards) has done a number on my heart.
When she continued with:
“But it may take even more intelligence to know what is worth affirming, to be able to pick out what is good and beautiful in a discourse and approach it with awe…as we navigate the tension of an institution both academic and spiritual, do not be overcome with dissension”
I realize she is more than correct – there’s “intelligence” that can spot errors, flaws and find something to criticize… then there’s “wisdom” that can find, as you point out, a “common ground” that can allow beauty and relationship to flourish.
How neat that God can use your experience there in such a powerful way… and then can take it and use it over here in my little heart and life in as powerful a way as if I were there with you that day.
We do serve a mighty God.
Thank you for your post. I need to re-read it and the rest of the series.
Shaun,
You should see if you can post the series on Relevant Magazines Website. Its a really cool story and Relevant would get it out to many people that would appreciate it.
-Phil
Shaun,
I just read this whole seven-part series with great interest, especially as one researching (and living at) the intersection of evangelicalism and Anabaptism. As one who grew up in an evangelical context and has slowly worked my way into more Anabapbtists contexts, I chuckled more than once as I read your experience of being thrown into that context without warning! I hope this isn’t too self-promotional, but I just edited a book on the relationship between evangelicalism and Anabaptism that you might find helpful as you continue to work through your thoughts on these traditions. It’s called The Activist Impulse: Essays on the Intersection of Evangelicalism and Anabaptism. If you ever get the chance to give it a look, drop me a note and let me know what you think.
Peace,
DC