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	<title>Comments on: Beyond Beyond Kind</title>
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		<title>By: Ron Woods</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3715</link>
		<dc:creator>Ron Woods</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:28:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Yeah, we&#8217;ve been doing a lot of generalization here.&#160; That wasn&#8217;t very thoughtful and/or wise.&#160; At least on my part.&#160; I apologize.&#160; There are plenty of selfish people in every age group.&#160; I&#8217;m sorry we made it appear otherwise.
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What did you do wrong?&#160; Maybe something.&#160; Maybe nothing.&#160; People make their own choices, Michelle.&#160; Ultimate responsibility lies with each individual regardless of their upbringing.&#160; So blaming yourself is probably pointless.&#160; Examine the past.&#160; Confess to God whatever you might need to confess.&#160; Make right anything you might need to make right.&#160; Keep loving your kid ... no matter what.
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I&#8217;m sorry that, for my part, I might have made it sound like producing generous, caring young adults is always a done deal.&#160; It just isn&#8217;t so.&#160; But remember,  the ball game isn&#8217;t over yet.&#160; Perhaps God will yet bring home the positive things you taught.&#160; He loves you kid even more than you do.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, we&#8217;ve been doing a lot of generalization here.&nbsp; That wasn&#8217;t very thoughtful and/or wise.&nbsp; At least on my part.&nbsp; I apologize.&nbsp; There are plenty of selfish people in every age group.&nbsp; I&#8217;m sorry we made it appear otherwise.
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What did you do wrong?&nbsp; Maybe something.&nbsp; Maybe nothing.&nbsp; People make their own choices, Michelle.&nbsp; Ultimate responsibility lies with each individual regardless of their upbringing.&nbsp; So blaming yourself is probably pointless.&nbsp; Examine the past.&nbsp; Confess to God whatever you might need to confess.&nbsp; Make right anything you might need to make right.&nbsp; Keep loving your kid &#8230; no matter what.
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I&#8217;m sorry that, for my part, I might have made it sound like producing generous, caring young adults is always a done deal.&nbsp; It just isn&#8217;t so.&nbsp; But remember,  the ball game isn&#8217;t over yet.&nbsp; Perhaps God will yet bring home the positive things you taught.&nbsp; He loves you kid even more than you do.</p>
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		<title>By: Michelle</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3714</link>
		<dc:creator>Michelle</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 20:05:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, I don&#8217;t know, because my 18 year old thinks *only* of herself.&#160; Where did I go wrong!?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, I don&#8217;t know, because my 18 year old thinks *only* of herself.&nbsp; Where did I go wrong!?</p>
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		<title>By: Kelly @ Love Well</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3713</link>
		<dc:creator>Kelly @ Love Well</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 24 Nov 2008 01:57:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Very interesting comment thread. My first inclination (before I started reading) was to say what Ron said&#8212;only I wouldn&#8217;t have said it nearly as well, nor would I have the experience to put muscle behind my thoughts.
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That said, I do think the 20-somethings today want to engage in personal ways with how they give away their money. My youngest brother (26) is actually getting his master&#8217;s degree right now with this as his thesis topic.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting comment thread. My first inclination (before I started reading) was to say what Ron said&#8212;only I wouldn&#8217;t have said it nearly as well, nor would I have the experience to put muscle behind my thoughts.
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That said, I do think the 20-somethings today want to engage in personal ways with how they give away their money. My youngest brother (26) is actually getting his master&#8217;s degree right now with this as his thesis topic.</p>
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		<title>By: Kristie</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3712</link>
		<dc:creator>Kristie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 04:19:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I am a twenty-something and I work with a twenty-somethings ministry. I think it has something to do with this generation&#8217;s craving for authenticity, sincerity, and all that is genuine. Shaun talked about the different responses to seeing povery first hand and a couple were along the lines of &#8220;pretend it isn&#8217;t happening, pretend you didn&#8217;t see it&#8221;. I don&#8217;t think this gen likes pretenders nor does it like to pretend.
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As for the philinthropic, action-oriented, giving nature- that&#8217;s a lot of grassroots effort. It&#8217;s like a hum or a buzz that&#8217;s been getting louder and louder over the past 10 years. And it&#8217;s contagious. And now it&#8217;s hip and trendy. And so it proliferates. I usually can&#8217;t stand what&#8217;s hip and trendy, but we&#8217;re not talking about baby tees or wwjd bracelets here. I&#8217;ll hang out on this bandwagon any day.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a twenty-something and I work with a twenty-somethings ministry. I think it has something to do with this generation&#8217;s craving for authenticity, sincerity, and all that is genuine. Shaun talked about the different responses to seeing povery first hand and a couple were along the lines of &#8220;pretend it isn&#8217;t happening, pretend you didn&#8217;t see it&#8221;. I don&#8217;t think this gen likes pretenders nor does it like to pretend.
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As for the philinthropic, action-oriented, giving nature- that&#8217;s a lot of grassroots effort. It&#8217;s like a hum or a buzz that&#8217;s been getting louder and louder over the past 10 years. And it&#8217;s contagious. And now it&#8217;s hip and trendy. And so it proliferates. I usually can&#8217;t stand what&#8217;s hip and trendy, but we&#8217;re not talking about baby tees or wwjd bracelets here. I&#8217;ll hang out on this bandwagon any day.</p>
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		<title>By: ConsciouslyFrugal</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3711</link>
		<dc:creator>ConsciouslyFrugal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 23 Nov 2008 01:51:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;After working for more than a decade in the non-profit industry, I have to agree with Prairie Rose to some degree. Those who are closer to poverty tend to give more (proportionally) than those who are not. As a fundraiser, I&#8217;ve found that the very poor and the very rich tend to be the most generous. I suppose it&#8217;s yet another example of the ol&#8217; bell curve.
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I also agree with Ron. It has more to do with the age (and economic status) than whatever external label has been placed on the generation. Or maybe kids just dig your rock star ways more?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>After working for more than a decade in the non-profit industry, I have to agree with Prairie Rose to some degree. Those who are closer to poverty tend to give more (proportionally) than those who are not. As a fundraiser, I&#8217;ve found that the very poor and the very rich tend to be the most generous. I suppose it&#8217;s yet another example of the ol&#8217; bell curve.
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I also agree with Ron. It has more to do with the age (and economic status) than whatever external label has been placed on the generation. Or maybe kids just dig your rock star ways more?</p>
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		<title>By: Biblefanmaryann</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3710</link>
		<dc:creator>Biblefanmaryann</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 22 Nov 2008 00:19:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I liked Ron&#8217;s theory.^^^^
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I liked Ron&#8217;s theory.^^^^</p>
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		<title>By: Stretch Mark Mama</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3709</link>
		<dc:creator>Stretch Mark Mama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 21:13:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hubs and I (both Gen-Xers) left church ministry after ten years for these very reasons. Moved on to something far more hands-on with the needy. I just see it as this generation&#8217;s response to the previous one...a generation that built a big and shiny church but lost sight of &lt;i&gt;being&lt;/i&gt; the church to the world.
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This is not to say that the previous generation did not do any good or that today&#8217;s churches are not meeting the needs of the community. I also imagine that the next generation will clamor to the church buildings for in-depth Bible studies and prayer meetings--after being in a culture that hyper-focuses on serving the needy. &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.shaungroves.com/images/smileys/smile.gif&quot; width=&quot;19&quot; height=&quot;19&quot; alt=&quot;smile&quot; style=&quot;border:0;&quot; /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hubs and I (both Gen-Xers) left church ministry after ten years for these very reasons. Moved on to something far more hands-on with the needy. I just see it as this generation&#8217;s response to the previous one&#8230;a generation that built a big and shiny church but lost sight of <i>being</i> the church to the world.
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This is not to say that the previous generation did not do any good or that today&#8217;s churches are not meeting the needs of the community. I also imagine that the next generation will clamor to the church buildings for in-depth Bible studies and prayer meetings&#8211;after being in a culture that hyper-focuses on serving the needy. <img src="http://www.shaungroves.com/images/smileys/smile.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="smile" style="border:0;" /></p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3708</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;what i mean to say, if it&#8217;s not clear, is that i don&#8217;t think the internet generation believes everything they hear.&#160; i think we&#8217;ve been fed so much garbage packaged as gold that we&#8217;ve PASSED the mark of cynicism and moved on to the only thing that will actually make a difference: action.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what i mean to say, if it&#8217;s not clear, is that i don&#8217;t think the internet generation believes everything they hear.&nbsp; i think we&#8217;ve been fed so much garbage packaged as gold that we&#8217;ve PASSED the mark of cynicism and moved on to the only thing that will actually make a difference: action.</p>
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		<title>By: Prairie Rose</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3707</link>
		<dc:creator>Prairie Rose</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:56:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know nothing about the &#8220;whys&#8221; of this phenomenon but have a thought which may be related&#8230;
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In my observation, people who have not are *generally* more generous than people who have&#8230;  perhaps it&#8217;s because they understand need so much more and are therefore driven to give what they can&#8212;even when they really can&#8217;t&#8212;to help others in more need than they are.
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I also agree with the, &#8220;Yes! We can change the world!&#8221; mindframe typical of the early 20s age&#8212;not just this particular generation of early 20s&#8212;and by the time these people reach their 30s or 40s, they&#8217;ve often lost that.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know nothing about the &#8220;whys&#8221; of this phenomenon but have a thought which may be related&#8230;
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In my observation, people who have not are *generally* more generous than people who have&#8230;  perhaps it&#8217;s because they understand need so much more and are therefore driven to give what they can&#8212;even when they really can&#8217;t&#8212;to help others in more need than they are.
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I also agree with the, &#8220;Yes! We can change the world!&#8221; mindframe typical of the early 20s age&#8212;not just this particular generation of early 20s&#8212;and by the time these people reach their 30s or 40s, they&#8217;ve often lost that.</p>
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		<title>By: rachel</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/11/beyond-beyond-kind/#comment-3706</link>
		<dc:creator>rachel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Nov 2008 20:53:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;call me gullible or naive.&#160; maybe i am.&#160; or maybe i think that cynicism that keeps me from giving of myself is really just thinly veiled selfishness and pride.&#160; yes, organization X is asking for my hard-earned cash.&#160; it&#8217;s a ploy.&#160; it&#8217;s a gimmick.&#160; it&#8217;s a system.&#160; it&#8217;s game.
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it&#8217;s not a good enough reason not to give.&#160; everything has flaws, and just because some gimmick is involved, i&#8217;m not going to let that keep me from connecting my theology and my reality. i&#8217;m going to be authentic.
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in the words of jars of clay, &#8220;i&#8217;m enough a cynic to believe.&#8221;
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i don&#8217;t know if that applies to my generation ... but i wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it did.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>call me gullible or naive.&nbsp; maybe i am.&nbsp; or maybe i think that cynicism that keeps me from giving of myself is really just thinly veiled selfishness and pride.&nbsp; yes, organization X is asking for my hard-earned cash.&nbsp; it&#8217;s a ploy.&nbsp; it&#8217;s a gimmick.&nbsp; it&#8217;s a system.&nbsp; it&#8217;s game.
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it&#8217;s not a good enough reason not to give.&nbsp; everything has flaws, and just because some gimmick is involved, i&#8217;m not going to let that keep me from connecting my theology and my reality. i&#8217;m going to be authentic.
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in the words of jars of clay, &#8220;i&#8217;m enough a cynic to believe.&#8221;
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i don&#8217;t know if that applies to my generation &#8230; but i wouldn&#8217;t be surprised if it did.</p>
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