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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/10/prince-of-peace-god-of-war-another-fireproof/#comment-4116</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 20 Oct 2008 20:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have a similar complaint about Christian music that is of the &#8220;Look at me, I&#8217;m living my life right and I&#8217;m gonna tell you how to do it&#8221; variety. It&#8217;s something I&#8217;d rather be &lt;i&gt;shown&lt;/i&gt; than &lt;i&gt;told&lt;/i&gt;, at least as far as an artistic medium is concerned. If I want a sermon, I&#8217;ll go to my pastor. As for everyone else who&#8217;s writing songs or making movies, just &lt;i&gt;do&lt;/i&gt; the right thing and let that be your witness, instead of talking about talking about doing the right thing. I think the good deeds will do a fine job of glorifying God on their own without needing your words to validate them.
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This is why I really like Caedmon&#8217;s Call&#8217;s &lt;i&gt;Share the Well&lt;/i&gt; album, just to offer a positive example. That album was inspired by time spent among the poor in India and South America, but it didn&#8217;t play as a commercial for missions or a way for the band to show off - &#8220;Hey, lookie what we did!&#8221; it simply established the premise that Christians can&#8217;t &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; care for the poor by way of giving human examples through colorful vignettes of these people&#8217;s lives. Not every story needed to have a moral. The moral was implicit.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a similar complaint about Christian music that is of the &#8220;Look at me, I&#8217;m living my life right and I&#8217;m gonna tell you how to do it&#8221; variety. It&#8217;s something I&#8217;d rather be <i>shown</i> than <i>told</i>, at least as far as an artistic medium is concerned. If I want a sermon, I&#8217;ll go to my pastor. As for everyone else who&#8217;s writing songs or making movies, just <i>do</i> the right thing and let that be your witness, instead of talking about talking about doing the right thing. I think the good deeds will do a fine job of glorifying God on their own without needing your words to validate them.
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This is why I really like Caedmon&#8217;s Call&#8217;s <i>Share the Well</i> album, just to offer a positive example. That album was inspired by time spent among the poor in India and South America, but it didn&#8217;t play as a commercial for missions or a way for the band to show off &#8211; &#8220;Hey, lookie what we did!&#8221; it simply established the premise that Christians can&#8217;t <i>not</i> care for the poor by way of giving human examples through colorful vignettes of these people&#8217;s lives. Not every story needed to have a moral. The moral was implicit.</p>
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		<title>By: brad andrews</title>
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		<dc:creator>brad andrews</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 17 Oct 2008 01:26:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;i&#8217;m watching &#8220;soldiers of conscience&#8221; on pbs right now. i thought of you.
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interesting stuff. it&#8217;s basically about a look at one of the central dramas of our time — how a soldier decides to kill or not, and the life-changing consequences that come with either choice. they particularly focused on soldiers who were granted release from the military through a &#8220;contentious objection.&#8221; every challenging to watch&#8230;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i&#8217;m watching &#8220;soldiers of conscience&#8221; on pbs right now. i thought of you.
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interesting stuff. it&#8217;s basically about a look at one of the central dramas of our time — how a soldier decides to kill or not, and the life-changing consequences that come with either choice. they particularly focused on soldiers who were granted release from the military through a &#8220;contentious objection.&#8221; every challenging to watch&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Groves</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shaun Groves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 16 Oct 2008 03:39:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;i&gt;Hard for me to tell them that they’ve been shortchanged and should have held out.&lt;/i&gt;
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I wouldn&#8217;t say they&#8217;ve been shortchanged.&#160; No more than I&#8217;d say I was shortchanged by spending an hour of my life watching Prince of Peace, God of War. But if they asked me to spend $10 to see Fireproof with them I&#8217;d decline.&#160; And if Prince of Peace, God of War were being heralded as a great film, I&#8217;d disagree.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Hard for me to tell them that they’ve been shortchanged and should have held out.</i>
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I wouldn&#8217;t say they&#8217;ve been shortchanged.&nbsp; No more than I&#8217;d say I was shortchanged by spending an hour of my life watching Prince of Peace, God of War. But if they asked me to spend $10 to see Fireproof with them I&#8217;d decline.&nbsp; And if Prince of Peace, God of War were being heralded as a great film, I&#8217;d disagree.</p>
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		<title>By: Anitra</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/10/prince-of-peace-god-of-war-another-fireproof/#comment-4113</link>
		<dc:creator>Anitra</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Wow, you have a gift as a movie reviewer! Your posts evoke so much passion. So much leaning in, staring intently into each other&#8217;s eyes because we absolutely cannot believe that such an allegedly smart/godly/sane person could really think that way. I am single so I can&#8217;t discuss the veracity of the underlying themes of Fireproof with much credibilty. On the other hand...I have seen couples leave the theater embracing. I&#8217;ve seen tough co-workers in tears vowing to be married differently. Hard for me to tell them that they&#8217;ve been shortchanged and should have held out.
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All differing cinemagraphic taste aside, is it wrong of me to count any day when (as you put it) &#8220;something deep inside of me is inspired to be more like Christ&#8221; as an incredibly good (and terrifyingly rare)day?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wow, you have a gift as a movie reviewer! Your posts evoke so much passion. So much leaning in, staring intently into each other&#8217;s eyes because we absolutely cannot believe that such an allegedly smart/godly/sane person could really think that way. I am single so I can&#8217;t discuss the veracity of the underlying themes of Fireproof with much credibilty. On the other hand&#8230;I have seen couples leave the theater embracing. I&#8217;ve seen tough co-workers in tears vowing to be married differently. Hard for me to tell them that they&#8217;ve been shortchanged and should have held out.
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All differing cinemagraphic taste aside, is it wrong of me to count any day when (as you put it) &#8220;something deep inside of me is inspired to be more like Christ&#8221; as an incredibly good (and terrifyingly rare)day?</p>
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		<title>By: Carole Turner</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carole Turner</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 20:02:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I really liked Prince of Peace..very educational. Haven&#8217;t seen Fire Proof.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I really liked Prince of Peace..very educational. Haven&#8217;t seen Fire Proof.</p>
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		<title>By: Linda Sue</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2008/10/prince-of-peace-god-of-war-another-fireproof/#comment-4111</link>
		<dc:creator>Linda Sue</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 18:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Funny how you hear a lot (here at Shlogland) about how poorly &#8220;christian  movies&#8221; represent either Christians or movies - yet Fireproof has done quite well at the boxoffice
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&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/10/christian.fireproof.success.ap/index.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/10/christian.fireproof.success.ap/index.html&lt;/a&gt;
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Not stirring up a nest here - I&#8217;m a degenerate fiction reader with the bad taste to like traditional hymns,dressing in your best for church most of the time, and honoring God with whatever talents I have - which is what I think most of y&#8217;all are doing too (not the hymns - I realize that isn&#8217;t popular but I also am two generations older than most blog demographics - I do enjoy contemporary p&amp;w music - but I sing hymns to myself during the day - not CCM).&#160; My two cents - which in today&#8217;s market means I owe you something now right?.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how you hear a lot (here at Shlogland) about how poorly &#8220;christian  movies&#8221; represent either Christians or movies &#8211; yet Fireproof has done quite well at the boxoffice<br />
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<a href="http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/10/christian.fireproof.success.ap/index.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/2008/SHOWBIZ/Movies/10/10/christian.fireproof.success.ap/index.html</a><br />
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Not stirring up a nest here &#8211; I&#8217;m a degenerate fiction reader with the bad taste to like traditional hymns,dressing in your best for church most of the time, and honoring God with whatever talents I have &#8211; which is what I think most of y&#8217;all are doing too (not the hymns &#8211; I realize that isn&#8217;t popular but I also am two generations older than most blog demographics &#8211; I do enjoy contemporary p&amp;w music &#8211; but I sing hymns to myself during the day &#8211; not CCM).&nbsp; My two cents &#8211; which in today&#8217;s market means I owe you something now right?.</p>
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		<title>By: andira</title>
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		<dc:creator>andira</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 16:35:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shaun&#8230;
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Yes.&#160; I get this.&#160; I have not seen Fireproof of Prince of Peace, God of War. However, I have heard many people at church talk about Fireproof.&#160; And this is how it went:
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&#8220;It had some really great points.&#160; You should totally go see it.&#160; Even you single people.&#160; But that one girl...I could&#8217;ve acted better than she did.&#160; It definitely wasn&#8217;t well-made.&#8221;
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I probably won&#8217;t go see the movie.&#160; I will probably just buy the book that was written about the marriage principles.&#160; I got the point of the movie without ever having to watch it...and I already &#8220;espouse&#8221; those &#8220;truths&#8221;.
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It saddens me that awesome movies with these truths are so rarely accomplished.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun&#8230;
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Yes.&nbsp; I get this.&nbsp; I have not seen Fireproof of Prince of Peace, God of War. However, I have heard many people at church talk about Fireproof.&nbsp; And this is how it went:
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&#8220;It had some really great points.&nbsp; You should totally go see it.&nbsp; Even you single people.&nbsp; But that one girl&#8230;I could&#8217;ve acted better than she did.&nbsp; It definitely wasn&#8217;t well-made.&#8221;
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I probably won&#8217;t go see the movie.&nbsp; I will probably just buy the book that was written about the marriage principles.&nbsp; I got the point of the movie without ever having to watch it&#8230;and I already &#8220;espouse&#8221; those &#8220;truths&#8221;.
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It saddens me that awesome movies with these truths are so rarely accomplished.</p>
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		<title>By: Veretax</title>
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		<dc:creator>Veretax</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 11:13:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I&#8217;ll reserve judgment on fireproof until I can see it.&#160; I don&#8217;t live with a theater close by, so any trip to see it is at least a 4 hour investment in time (almost an hours drive along winding West Virginia Roads.)  I don&#8217;t tend to watch a lot of movies anyways, and tend to be very choosy about I watch.&#160; I know from the previews, I&#8217;ve not exactly been inspired to see it on the commercial merits, for the same reason I didn&#8217;t see Spiderman 3 after seeing the other two in the theater.&#160; So eh.&#160; I agree a bit with elijah.&#160; After being exposed to some folks in my life that seem to accentuate on one thing or another to an extreme, I&#8217;ve long been of the belief that balance is important in life.&#160;
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I don&#8217;t read a ton of Fiction, but I do fancy myself as a story teller.&#160; I enjoy telling a story, and did for a long time on a particular forum group.&#160; At some point that stopped because I realized the message wasn&#8217;t reaching the audience anymore, mostly because they had all moved on.&#160; I still write on occasion, and am active in a play by post game that is basically a collaborative fiction game, but again, I don&#8217;t know what fireproof is about so I can&#8217;t really comment with any critiques without having seen it first.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ll reserve judgment on fireproof until I can see it.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t live with a theater close by, so any trip to see it is at least a 4 hour investment in time (almost an hours drive along winding West Virginia Roads.)  I don&#8217;t tend to watch a lot of movies anyways, and tend to be very choosy about I watch.&nbsp; I know from the previews, I&#8217;ve not exactly been inspired to see it on the commercial merits, for the same reason I didn&#8217;t see Spiderman 3 after seeing the other two in the theater.&nbsp; So eh.&nbsp; I agree a bit with elijah.&nbsp; After being exposed to some folks in my life that seem to accentuate on one thing or another to an extreme, I&#8217;ve long been of the belief that balance is important in life.&nbsp;
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I don&#8217;t read a ton of Fiction, but I do fancy myself as a story teller.&nbsp; I enjoy telling a story, and did for a long time on a particular forum group.&nbsp; At some point that stopped because I realized the message wasn&#8217;t reaching the audience anymore, mostly because they had all moved on.&nbsp; I still write on occasion, and am active in a play by post game that is basically a collaborative fiction game, but again, I don&#8217;t know what fireproof is about so I can&#8217;t really comment with any critiques without having seen it first.</p>
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		<title>By: elijah</title>
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		<dc:creator>elijah</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 03:58:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;On the lack-of-fiction-reading thing - I&#8217;ve noticed that the more a person deals in their daily life in the abstract, the less likely they are to read much fiction.&#160; The adverse is true as well.&#160; After all, it isn&#8217;t the art majors that spend their free time playing D&amp;D, it&#8217;s the computer science and math guys.&#160; I think we like balance.
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I&#8217;ve noticed this in my own life as well.&#160; During times when I am creating, creating, creating, I read almost exclusively non-fiction.&#160; When my life becomes full of the rote and real, I lean towards fiction.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the lack-of-fiction-reading thing &#8211; I&#8217;ve noticed that the more a person deals in their daily life in the abstract, the less likely they are to read much fiction.&nbsp; The adverse is true as well.&nbsp; After all, it isn&#8217;t the art majors that spend their free time playing D&amp;D, it&#8217;s the computer science and math guys.&nbsp; I think we like balance.
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I&#8217;ve noticed this in my own life as well.&nbsp; During times when I am creating, creating, creating, I read almost exclusively non-fiction.&nbsp; When my life becomes full of the rote and real, I lean towards fiction.</p>
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		<title>By: Jim C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Jim C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 15 Oct 2008 02:52:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I wish this movie wasn’t all telling and no showing------   Wasn&#8217;t there a quote by Mother Theresa something like &#8220; Make your life a sermon, and when necessary, use words&#8221;  I apologize to anyone I offend from my lack of memory.
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Jim C
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wish this movie wasn’t all telling and no showing&#8212;&#8212;   Wasn&#8217;t there a quote by Mother Theresa something like &#8220; Make your life a sermon, and when necessary, use words&#8221;  I apologize to anyone I offend from my lack of memory.
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