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		<title>By: laser training</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10590</link>
		<dc:creator>laser training</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 06 Jul 2008 01:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Zach-
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It may have been originally by Charles Wesley (the father of the founder of the Methodist Church?) and written in 1749.&#160;
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Here are the lyrics:
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Zach-
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It may have been originally by Charles Wesley (the father of the founder of the Methodist Church?) and written in 1749.&nbsp;
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Here are the lyrics:
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		<title>By: emergency plumbers</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10589</link>
		<dc:creator>emergency plumbers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:38:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Not only did Boston rock Denver in baseball last night, the Street Dogs rocked our ear holes at the Ogden theatre as well. It just hurts so good…
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not only did Boston rock Denver in baseball last night, the Street Dogs rocked our ear holes at the Ogden theatre as well. It just hurts so good…</p>
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		<title>By: software outsourcing</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10588</link>
		<dc:creator>software outsourcing</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 16 Jun 2008 16:35:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I just watched Lufthansa flight 423 take off over my house. This flight was operating a 747-400 to Frankfurt.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I just watched Lufthansa flight 423 take off over my house. This flight was operating a 747-400 to Frankfurt.</p>
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		<title>By: houston tattoo removal</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10587</link>
		<dc:creator>houston tattoo removal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 11 Jun 2008 16:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I have to say this is one of the most proactive, intelligent ways of promoting a class by actually being smart about answering questions people would really have. Not the JESUS DIED, JESUS LIVED, JESUS AROSE as an answer to all questions.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to say this is one of the most proactive, intelligent ways of promoting a class by actually being smart about answering questions people would really have. Not the JESUS DIED, JESUS LIVED, JESUS AROSE as an answer to all questions.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Nielsen</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10586</link>
		<dc:creator>Zach Nielsen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Apr 2008 20:19:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shaun,
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Can you tell me the name of the CD that has Jesus The Name High Over All on it?&#160; If you could email me I would greatly apreciate it.&#160;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun,
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Can you tell me the name of the CD that has Jesus The Name High Over All on it?&nbsp; If you could email me I would greatly apreciate it.&nbsp;
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		<title>By: Tony</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10585</link>
		<dc:creator>Tony</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Oct 2007 12:38:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&quot;I take issue with Trevin’s (seemingly) implying that church is a place, that people must be brought there and that attracting more folks of any generation is the task of a church...&#8221;
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Ah, the heart of the issue&#8230; couldn&#8217;t agree more, Shaun.
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I don&#8217;t care whether people like my church or not.&#160; I don&#8217;t invite them on &#8220;Friend Day&#8221; so I can get a little pin for inviting the most &#8220;lost&#8221; people.&#160;
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I have enough trouble trying to do what Jesus asked us to do (Love the LORD your God w/ all your heart, soul, mind, and strength &amp; love your neighbor as yourself) without all the added distraction of trying to make church &#8220;cool&#8221;, or convince my neighbors that they should go there.
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Ah, the heart of the issue&#8230; couldn&#8217;t agree more, Shaun.
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I don&#8217;t care whether people like my church or not.&nbsp; I don&#8217;t invite them on &#8220;Friend Day&#8221; so I can get a little pin for inviting the most &#8220;lost&#8221; people.&nbsp;
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I have enough trouble trying to do what Jesus asked us to do (Love the LORD your God w/ all your heart, soul, mind, and strength &amp; love your neighbor as yourself) without all the added distraction of trying to make church &#8220;cool&#8221;, or convince my neighbors that they should go there.</p>
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		<title>By: Brandon Marler</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10584</link>
		<dc:creator>Brandon Marler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 02:39:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Shaun - found your &#8220;shlog&#8221; thru Brian Seay&#8217;s sight. We&#8217;re from Houston (although spent several years in Nville in the late 90s),and grew up with the Seay&#8217;s (more Robbie, than Brian and Chris), but play poker with Chris now on occasion (is that allowed to be made public&#8212;it&#8217;s innocent i assure everyone --- although he usually comes out smelling like a rose!!). Anyway...found this post very interesting.
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We have (3) young girls and put them to sleep each night with Fernando Ortega&#8217;s latest release: &#8220;The Shadow of Your Wings&#8221;. If I try to change it, they ask for the &#8220;piano music&#8221;. I love what he has done with his career and gifts, and how his focus has been on turning this generation (and others), on to old and new hymns. He has &#8220;bucked&#8221; the system, to say the least, but has had great success, especially as of late with Curb. Listening to him talk (at the 1-2 shows I&#8217;ve seen), is like hearing ancient wisdom, and he paints imagery unlike few I&#8217;ve heard (i.e., &#8216;Old Girl&#8217; or &#8216;Winter Song&#8217; from the &#8220;Home&#8221; album)
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Your thoughts....or anyone else&#8217;s. I didn&#8217;t see anyone post about his interpretations in the &#8216;comments&#8217;.
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Great to be reading your &#8220;shlog&#8221;!!
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-Brandon from H-Town
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Shaun &#8211; found your &#8220;shlog&#8221; thru Brian Seay&#8217;s sight. We&#8217;re from Houston (although spent several years in Nville in the late 90s),and grew up with the Seay&#8217;s (more Robbie, than Brian and Chris), but play poker with Chris now on occasion (is that allowed to be made public&#8212;it&#8217;s innocent i assure everyone &#8212; although he usually comes out smelling like a rose!!). Anyway&#8230;found this post very interesting.
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We have (3) young girls and put them to sleep each night with Fernando Ortega&#8217;s latest release: &#8220;The Shadow of Your Wings&#8221;. If I try to change it, they ask for the &#8220;piano music&#8221;. I love what he has done with his career and gifts, and how his focus has been on turning this generation (and others), on to old and new hymns. He has &#8220;bucked&#8221; the system, to say the least, but has had great success, especially as of late with Curb. Listening to him talk (at the 1-2 shows I&#8217;ve seen), is like hearing ancient wisdom, and he paints imagery unlike few I&#8217;ve heard (i.e., &#8216;Old Girl&#8217; or &#8216;Winter Song&#8217; from the &#8220;Home&#8221; album)
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Your thoughts&#8230;.or anyone else&#8217;s. I didn&#8217;t see anyone post about his interpretations in the &#8216;comments&#8217;.
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Great to be reading your &#8220;shlog&#8221;!!
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		<title>By: Grovesfan</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10583</link>
		<dc:creator>Grovesfan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 00:32:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;While I like some of Chris Tomlin&#8217;s music (I LOVE the cover of Amazing Grace!), most of it sounds all alike.&#160; Not bad, just not full of variety.&#160; I love the old hymns I grew up with too.&#160; There is (for me) a deeper sense of worship because of the lyrics and the music.&#160; Hymms just played on the piano  are beautiful to me.&#160; Chris Rice&#8217;s &#8220;Living Room Sessions&#8221; of hymns is wonderful.&#160; Something that has helped me to really appreciate the older hymns is learning the stories BEHIND how or why some of them were written.
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That being said, I agree completely that music does not equal worship in and of itself.&#160; The church should be attracting people to it&#8217;s doors with it&#8217;s relationship, descipleship, accountability, and sound Bible doctrine.&#160; Of course, the non-believer may not realize that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re looking for initially.&#160; Hopefully though, we&#8217;re not inticing people to attend under false pretenses (ie: &#8220;the music&#8217;s great, hang with us&#8221; or &#8220;we can relate to you &#8216;cause our music is &#8216;contemporary&#8217;&quot;).&#160; That&#8217;s living a lie and something The church should NOT be practicing.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While I like some of Chris Tomlin&#8217;s music (I LOVE the cover of Amazing Grace!), most of it sounds all alike.&nbsp; Not bad, just not full of variety.&nbsp; I love the old hymns I grew up with too.&nbsp; There is (for me) a deeper sense of worship because of the lyrics and the music.&nbsp; Hymms just played on the piano  are beautiful to me.&nbsp; Chris Rice&#8217;s &#8220;Living Room Sessions&#8221; of hymns is wonderful.&nbsp; Something that has helped me to really appreciate the older hymns is learning the stories BEHIND how or why some of them were written.
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That being said, I agree completely that music does not equal worship in and of itself.&nbsp; The church should be attracting people to it&#8217;s doors with it&#8217;s relationship, descipleship, accountability, and sound Bible doctrine.&nbsp; Of course, the non-believer may not realize that&#8217;s what they&#8217;re looking for initially.&nbsp; Hopefully though, we&#8217;re not inticing people to attend under false pretenses (ie: &#8220;the music&#8217;s great, hang with us&#8221; or &#8220;we can relate to you &#8216;cause our music is &#8216;contemporary&#8217;&#8221;).&nbsp; That&#8217;s living a lie and something The church should NOT be practicing.<br />
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		<title>By: lorijo</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10582</link>
		<dc:creator>lorijo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 22:23:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;we did Where is the Love at Sandals Church. It was awesome.
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Interesting discussion. I was a Music Major with an emphasis in Church Music (aka the small group of students who want to lead worship), where we studied everything from emerging worship to the ancient hymns of the first few centuries.&#160; in our hymnology class we studied the hymns and their authors and composers.&#160; there is so much richness in the hymns. I think the problem is in the way that hymns are done these days, without passion.&#160; When they are done with passion and significance, (and more instrumentation) they hold greater meaning than just singing along with the organ and the &#8220;song leader&#8221; that can&#8217;t sing in the small country church.&#160; I think some of us have separated ourselves from hymns in an attempt to find the fire and the passion.&#160; I believe strongly that &#8220;modern&#8221; worship is good because they are prayers and they get us singing prayers.&#160; There is so much that can be said, but these are just a few of my many thoughts..being one who is very interested in worship music and music in the church.&#160; It is interesting that the author of the article above says that the music doesn&#8217;t matter in their selection of churches because I think it matters a great deal because God is the creator of creativity and we create to glorify our Creator, to express things that overflow from our hearts through melodies and in praise and adoration, in crying out.&#160; When the music is done in a half-hearted, unorganized or careless manner, without excellence, it detracts people like me.&#160; That is not to say that everyone in the country church doesn&#8217;t have passion or isn&#8217;t really worshiping, but for people like me, i honestly struggle to worship in that situation.
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I agree that the community aspect of being involved in church is important, but if you can&#8217;t worship in that setting, isn&#8217;t it just about seeing a bunch of people you know?
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Interesting discussion. I was a Music Major with an emphasis in Church Music (aka the small group of students who want to lead worship), where we studied everything from emerging worship to the ancient hymns of the first few centuries.&nbsp; in our hymnology class we studied the hymns and their authors and composers.&nbsp; there is so much richness in the hymns. I think the problem is in the way that hymns are done these days, without passion.&nbsp; When they are done with passion and significance, (and more instrumentation) they hold greater meaning than just singing along with the organ and the &#8220;song leader&#8221; that can&#8217;t sing in the small country church.&nbsp; I think some of us have separated ourselves from hymns in an attempt to find the fire and the passion.&nbsp; I believe strongly that &#8220;modern&#8221; worship is good because they are prayers and they get us singing prayers.&nbsp; There is so much that can be said, but these are just a few of my many thoughts..being one who is very interested in worship music and music in the church.&nbsp; It is interesting that the author of the article above says that the music doesn&#8217;t matter in their selection of churches because I think it matters a great deal because God is the creator of creativity and we create to glorify our Creator, to express things that overflow from our hearts through melodies and in praise and adoration, in crying out.&nbsp; When the music is done in a half-hearted, unorganized or careless manner, without excellence, it detracts people like me.&nbsp; That is not to say that everyone in the country church doesn&#8217;t have passion or isn&#8217;t really worshiping, but for people like me, i honestly struggle to worship in that situation.
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I agree that the community aspect of being involved in church is important, but if you can&#8217;t worship in that setting, isn&#8217;t it just about seeing a bunch of people you know?</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Bashor</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/10/more-than-music/#comment-10581</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Bashor</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 05 Oct 2007 20:58:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Oops I mean I agree it is NOT the &#8220;churches&quot;(501c3) job to attract people. But that is the business churches are in, to attracts people, but that is what all businesses are trying to do, attract people.
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