Comments on: I Need A Greek Nerd http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/ Official site of Shaun Groves - musician, speaker, advocate for children living in poverty Tue, 22 May 2012 21:14:19 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: pillet http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11739 pillet Thu, 18 Jun 2009 07:52:53 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11739 <p>I am fond of literature and poesy in general, but especially I like poems by Georg Trakl - <a href="http://www.ebook-search-queen.com/ebook/twen/twenty-poems-of-georg-trakl.all.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.ebook-search-queen.com/ebook/twen/twenty-poems-of-georg-trakl.all.html</a> </p> I am fond of literature and poesy in general, but especially I like poems by Georg Trakl – http://www.ebook-search-queen.com/ebook/twen/twenty-poems-of-georg-trakl.all.html

]]> By: Toby http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11738 Toby Fri, 10 Aug 2007 16:10:52 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11738 <p>Greek Nerd to the rescue...?  The BAGD and Kittel are great references, but I have one that seems more in tune to what you are looking for.  It will reference uses of a given Greek word across tons of documents.  It is called Perseus and is from tufts university.  I was told about it from a Greek prof when i was doing research.  It’s pretty amazing. </p> <p> the URL is: </p> <p> <a href="http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/search" rel="nofollow">http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/search</a> </p> <p> I wasn’t sure html would work here so there you go. </p> Greek Nerd to the rescue…?  The BAGD and Kittel are great references, but I have one that seems more in tune to what you are looking for.  It will reference uses of a given Greek word across tons of documents.  It is called Perseus and is from tufts university.  I was told about it from a Greek prof when i was doing research.  It’s pretty amazing.

the URL is:

http://www.perseus.tufts.edu/hopper/search

I wasn’t sure html would work here so there you go.

]]> By: Seth Ward http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11737 Seth Ward Wed, 08 Aug 2007 16:24:17 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11737 <p>Sesame Street.  Cookie monster knows quite a bit about greed.  He hogs all the cookies and such… </p> <p> hope that helps. </p> Sesame Street.  Cookie monster knows quite a bit about greed.  He hogs all the cookies and such…

hope that helps.

]]> By: Melissa Moore http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11736 Melissa Moore Wed, 08 Aug 2007 13:09:41 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11736 <p>Kittel and BDAG (as referred to by the former posts- but also look up New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology- NIDNTT) are great for finding citations of the extra-biblical texts, but as far as reading those texts in good English translations, you should try purchasing BibleWorks 7 (if you have a MAC- try Accordance).  You can search the Greek word in the LXX (Septuagint), Apostolic Fathers, Philo, and Josephus, and you can actually read the English context for yourself (LXX, Philo, and Josephus are probably more helpful in comparing the Greek than are classical Greek texts).  If you want to find classical Greek sources, you will need to use the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae (look it up on-line) or the Loeb Classical Library Editions (they have Greek on one side and English on the other side of the page).  Though language changes over the years and classical Greek is substantially different than koine Greek, you are absolutely on the right track, for we can still glean much information from word usage in classical Greek texts, etc. </p> Kittel and BDAG (as referred to by the former posts- but also look up New International Dictionary of New Testament Theology- NIDNTT) are great for finding citations of the extra-biblical texts, but as far as reading those texts in good English translations, you should try purchasing BibleWorks 7 (if you have a MAC- try Accordance).  You can search the Greek word in the LXX (Septuagint), Apostolic Fathers, Philo, and Josephus, and you can actually read the English context for yourself (LXX, Philo, and Josephus are probably more helpful in comparing the Greek than are classical Greek texts).  If you want to find classical Greek sources, you will need to use the Thesaurus Linguae Graecae (look it up on-line) or the Loeb Classical Library Editions (they have Greek on one side and English on the other side of the page).  Though language changes over the years and classical Greek is substantially different than koine Greek, you are absolutely on the right track, for we can still glean much information from word usage in classical Greek texts, etc.

]]> By: jwise http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11735 jwise Wed, 08 Aug 2007 11:48:13 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11735 <p>Shaun, </p> <p> The best reference material for this is Kittel.  Originally German, translated to English, Kittel has documented MANY various uses of words—OT, NT, LXX, classical greek, koine greek, etc. </p> <p> You can read more about it here: </p> <p> <a href="http://www.discountchristian.com/logos/kittel.html" rel="nofollow">http://www.discountchristian.com/logos/kittel.html</a> </p> <p> Perhaps your church has a copy of them.. if you can afford them yourself, they’re an incredible asset to a scholar’s library <img src="http://www.shaungroves.com/images/smileys/smile.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="smile" style="border:0;" /> </p> Shaun,

The best reference material for this is Kittel.  Originally German, translated to English, Kittel has documented MANY various uses of words—OT, NT, LXX, classical greek, koine greek, etc.

You can read more about it here:

http://www.discountchristian.com/logos/kittel.html

Perhaps your church has a copy of them.. if you can afford them yourself, they’re an incredible asset to a scholar’s library smile

]]> By: Paul http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11734 Paul Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:27:36 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11734 <p>Here we have an issue.  I remember a couple of things from Seminary.  One of things is that scholars believed Biblical Greek (aka Koine or Common Greek) was a special Holy Spirit Greek.  Classical Greek is like the difference between Middle English and 21st century English.  If you only had one relatively small group of books in the latter, and a whole body of literature from the former, you might think 21st century English was some sort of special coded version of “regular English”.  </p> <p> This view was changed by the discovery of “erotic stories” in Koine Greek.  These have only been known in the last 100 years or so.  Most stories of this nature don’t deal with mourning. </p> <p> I will say that the pieces of the word “pan” means across and “theo” means god.  I don’t know if that helps.  A Greek professor might be able to help more.  I’m just a Seminary grad who does church video and is happy to use the $40,000 worth of education on occasion. </p> <p> Paul </p> Here we have an issue.  I remember a couple of things from Seminary.  One of things is that scholars believed Biblical Greek (aka Koine or Common Greek) was a special Holy Spirit Greek.  Classical Greek is like the difference between Middle English and 21st century English.  If you only had one relatively small group of books in the latter, and a whole body of literature from the former, you might think 21st century English was some sort of special coded version of “regular English”. 

This view was changed by the discovery of “erotic stories” in Koine Greek.  These have only been known in the last 100 years or so.  Most stories of this nature don’t deal with mourning.

I will say that the pieces of the word “pan” means across and “theo” means god.  I don’t know if that helps.  A Greek professor might be able to help more.  I’m just a Seminary grad who does church video and is happy to use the $40,000 worth of education on occasion.

Paul

]]> By: Tim Sharpe http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11733 Tim Sharpe Wed, 08 Aug 2007 02:00:21 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11733 <p>The main book you’ll want to consult is the BAGD… </p> <p> Bauer, Walter; Arndt, William; Gingrich, F. Wilbur; Danker, Frederick.  1979. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. Second Edition. Chicago, Ill: The University of Chicago Press. (BAGD). </p> <p> That will give you different uses in different ancient texts.  As far as actually finding those ancient texts, you’ll have to do more digging.  I had an internet search that I’d used previously, but I’ve lost the reference.  I can check with my prof sometime soon. </p> <p> Or, you could always look up a Greek prof at a seminary and e-mail asking him(/her). </p> The main book you’ll want to consult is the BAGD…

Bauer, Walter; Arndt, William; Gingrich, F. Wilbur; Danker, Frederick.  1979. A Greek-English Lexicon of the New Testament and Other Early Christian Literature. Second Edition. Chicago, Ill: The University of Chicago Press. (BAGD).

That will give you different uses in different ancient texts.  As far as actually finding those ancient texts, you’ll have to do more digging.  I had an internet search that I’d used previously, but I’ve lost the reference.  I can check with my prof sometime soon.

Or, you could always look up a Greek prof at a seminary and e-mail asking him(/her).

]]> By: brody http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11732 brody Wed, 08 Aug 2007 00:10:11 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/i-need-a-greek-nerd/#comment-11732 <p>That monkey video is so funny… I laugh just thinking about it. </p> That monkey video is so funny… I laugh just thinking about it.

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