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		<title>By: Richard Barreras</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-19401</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Barreras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:18:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Just had another thought maybe we should read James Chapter 2

Then realize the from the abundunce of the heart the mouth speaks. 

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just had another thought maybe we should read James Chapter 2</p>
<p>Then realize the from the abundunce of the heart the mouth speaks. </p>
<p>Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Barreras</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-19400</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard Barreras</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 03 Mar 2010 17:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Excuse me but did&#039;t Jesus heal the sick, feed the hungry. Doesn&#039;t it say that if you claim to be in union with him then do what he did or walk as He walk?

Just a thought folks
Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Excuse me but did&#8217;t Jesus heal the sick, feed the hungry. Doesn&#8217;t it say that if you claim to be in union with him then do what he did or walk as He walk?</p>
<p>Just a thought folks<br />
Richard</p>
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		<title>By: Nikki</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-11777</link>
		<dc:creator>Nikki</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 27 Jun 2009 13:31:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Great discussion.&#160; I live in California and have been blessed to find Cornerstone.&#160; I knew nothing about Francis or Cornerstone.&#160; I was attending another church for a while but knew there had to be more.
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I search for a church for two years and stumbled upon Cornerstone.&#160; I must say it was the only church that I had visited that when I read the bible the teaching really lined up with God&#8217;s word.&#160;
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Every Sunday I would walk out going how in the world can I actually do this.&#160; It is definitely not a feel good church.&#160; You will be stretch in almost every area.&#160; But I wouldn&#8217;t want to be around any one less then people who encourages and inspires you to have an accurate picture of who God is while going out and sharing the Gospel.&#160;
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I&#8217;m actually meeting my next door neighbors spending time with them hanging out building relationships and sharing the Gospel.&#160; I&#8217;ve been a Christian for a long time and only been going to Cornerstone for 3 months.
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I haven&#8217;t read his book Crazy love yet but I think it&#8217;s funny that the word crazy is in the title.&#160; That&#8217;s what I thought about them when I first started going...man these people are radical and crazy.&#160; But in a good way.&#160;
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I&#8217;ve never meet a group of people who love God so much that they would be willing to change everything in their lives to glorify Him.&#160; They don&#8217;t just talk about it...they are doing it.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Great discussion.&nbsp; I live in California and have been blessed to find Cornerstone.&nbsp; I knew nothing about Francis or Cornerstone.&nbsp; I was attending another church for a while but knew there had to be more.
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I search for a church for two years and stumbled upon Cornerstone.&nbsp; I must say it was the only church that I had visited that when I read the bible the teaching really lined up with God&#8217;s word.&nbsp;
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Every Sunday I would walk out going how in the world can I actually do this.&nbsp; It is definitely not a feel good church.&nbsp; You will be stretch in almost every area.&nbsp; But I wouldn&#8217;t want to be around any one less then people who encourages and inspires you to have an accurate picture of who God is while going out and sharing the Gospel.&nbsp;
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I&#8217;m actually meeting my next door neighbors spending time with them hanging out building relationships and sharing the Gospel.&nbsp; I&#8217;ve been a Christian for a long time and only been going to Cornerstone for 3 months.
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I haven&#8217;t read his book Crazy love yet but I think it&#8217;s funny that the word crazy is in the title.&nbsp; That&#8217;s what I thought about them when I first started going&#8230;man these people are radical and crazy.&nbsp; But in a good way.&nbsp;
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I&#8217;ve never meet a group of people who love God so much that they would be willing to change everything in their lives to glorify Him.&nbsp; They don&#8217;t just talk about it&#8230;they are doing it.</p>
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		<title>By: Elysa Harvey MacLellan</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-11774</link>
		<dc:creator>Elysa Harvey MacLellan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 May 2009 20:01:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Sharing this one at my blog!&#160; My life had already been pretty much turned upside down after visiting Swaziland last year.&#160; I read Chan&#8217;s CRAZY LOVE a few months later and it cemented for me a lot of what I&#8217;d been asking myself.&#160; I&#8217;m thankful for what God is saying thru Chan and I&#8217;m excited to see Christians around me getting passionate about loving God and loving others as they love themselves.
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Keep up the great blogging and ministry, Shaun!
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Elysa Mac
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sharing this one at my blog!&nbsp; My life had already been pretty much turned upside down after visiting Swaziland last year.&nbsp; I read Chan&#8217;s CRAZY LOVE a few months later and it cemented for me a lot of what I&#8217;d been asking myself.&nbsp; I&#8217;m thankful for what God is saying thru Chan and I&#8217;m excited to see Christians around me getting passionate about loving God and loving others as they love themselves.
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Keep up the great blogging and ministry, Shaun!
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Elysa Mac</p>
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		<title>By: Bill</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-11773</link>
		<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 May 2009 00:15:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The lengthy discussion about feeding the physical body versus presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ highlights the central problem with the church today, DIVISION.&#160; Until we as &#8220;the church&#8221; come together in unity we will never fully realize the power that is available through faith.&#160; Really, what does it matter which comes first as long as BOTH needs are met.&#160; Does the act of giving bread from the earth first somehow make the giving of the bread of life less effective and does the giving of the bread of life first make the giving of the bread from the earth somehow less nutritous?&#160; Of course not!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The lengthy discussion about feeding the physical body versus presenting the gospel of Jesus Christ highlights the central problem with the church today, DIVISION.&nbsp; Until we as &#8220;the church&#8221; come together in unity we will never fully realize the power that is available through faith.&nbsp; Really, what does it matter which comes first as long as BOTH needs are met.&nbsp; Does the act of giving bread from the earth first somehow make the giving of the bread of life less effective and does the giving of the bread of life first make the giving of the bread from the earth somehow less nutritous?&nbsp; Of course not!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike Ireland</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-11772</link>
		<dc:creator>Mike Ireland</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 May 2009 09:19:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I know this was a while ago, but thank you so much for brightening up my day a little. Its not often that we hear stories such as this - these days it seems that most people are just out to get what they can for themselves. Its great to see that Fransis Chan practices what he preaches and is obviously a very caring genuine person.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know this was a while ago, but thank you so much for brightening up my day a little. Its not often that we hear stories such as this &#8211; these days it seems that most people are just out to get what they can for themselves. Its great to see that Fransis Chan practices what he preaches and is obviously a very caring genuine person.</p>
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		<title>By: Brett</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-11771</link>
		<dc:creator>Brett</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 30 Apr 2009 14:54:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Hi guys!&#160; What a great discussion - especially for those who have not resorted to name calling.&#160; I under stand Mitchel&#8217;s query - &#8220;Where is the gospel?&#8221; and I also understand the response &#8220;how can the gospel not include meeting the physical needs of those in our world who are suffering?&#8221;.&#160;
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I was at a missions conference (I am a missionary) recently and Wes Stafford of Compassion was speaking.&#160; He said something I had never heard him say before.&#160; He said that Compassion leads 500 people to Christ a day.&#160; WOW!&#160; Now those who have been hard on Mitchel don&#8217;t start saying &#8220;I told you so!&#8221;.&#160; One thing that ministries like compassion often fail to do is to communicate how they also meet spiritual needs.&#160; They get much more response as they share about physical needs - especially from today&#8217;s culture.&#160; They see more response from Christians when they talk about a child who is suffering physically than they do when they talk about the spiritual needs.&#160; I saw kids flock to the compassion table to pick up a card to support a child.&#160; Would Wes have had the same response if he had said, &#8220;Who will sponsor a child&#8217;s spiritual growth and health?
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It&#8217;s all about our own relationship with Christ because if that is not there then the outflow of that love we have recieved will not flow to those who need it both physically and spiritually.&#160; I&#8217;ll bet you a fiver that if Mitchel has a glass of water and someone else needs it he will give it to them because he loves Jesus.&#160; We don&#8217;t do ministry (both physical and spiritual) because of the needs of our world.&#160; We do ministry because we are filled with a holy spirit who is in the process of making us like Christ!&#160; And no one understands humanity&#8217;s needs like Jesus!
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So the conflict rages because we have failed to keep both the spiritual and physical in perspective!&#160; When someone like Wes Stafford says a child needs our help we don&#8217;t do it just because a child needs our help - although that in itself is admirable.&#160; We do it because it&#8217;s what Jesus would have done and because we love Him. And we do it because of the hope that is in us!&#160; A hope of an eternity where suffering like we see in our world does not exist. An eternity made possible by the Gospel.&#160; Each man, woman and child we minister to in a physical sense gets a glimpse of eternity as we interact with them as Christ would.
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&#8220;Now I make known to you, bretheren, the gospel which I preached to you,, which also you recieved, in which you also stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.&#160; For I delievered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried and rasied on the third day according to the Scriptures...&#8221;
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1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
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If this helps - I&#8217;m glad!&#160; If not - my apologies.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys!&nbsp; What a great discussion &#8211; especially for those who have not resorted to name calling.&nbsp; I under stand Mitchel&#8217;s query &#8211; &#8220;Where is the gospel?&#8221; and I also understand the response &#8220;how can the gospel not include meeting the physical needs of those in our world who are suffering?&#8221;.&nbsp;
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I was at a missions conference (I am a missionary) recently and Wes Stafford of Compassion was speaking.&nbsp; He said something I had never heard him say before.&nbsp; He said that Compassion leads 500 people to Christ a day.&nbsp; WOW!&nbsp; Now those who have been hard on Mitchel don&#8217;t start saying &#8220;I told you so!&#8221;.&nbsp; One thing that ministries like compassion often fail to do is to communicate how they also meet spiritual needs.&nbsp; They get much more response as they share about physical needs &#8211; especially from today&#8217;s culture.&nbsp; They see more response from Christians when they talk about a child who is suffering physically than they do when they talk about the spiritual needs.&nbsp; I saw kids flock to the compassion table to pick up a card to support a child.&nbsp; Would Wes have had the same response if he had said, &#8220;Who will sponsor a child&#8217;s spiritual growth and health?
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It&#8217;s all about our own relationship with Christ because if that is not there then the outflow of that love we have recieved will not flow to those who need it both physically and spiritually.&nbsp; I&#8217;ll bet you a fiver that if Mitchel has a glass of water and someone else needs it he will give it to them because he loves Jesus.&nbsp; We don&#8217;t do ministry (both physical and spiritual) because of the needs of our world.&nbsp; We do ministry because we are filled with a holy spirit who is in the process of making us like Christ!&nbsp; And no one understands humanity&#8217;s needs like Jesus!
</p>
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So the conflict rages because we have failed to keep both the spiritual and physical in perspective!&nbsp; When someone like Wes Stafford says a child needs our help we don&#8217;t do it just because a child needs our help &#8211; although that in itself is admirable.&nbsp; We do it because it&#8217;s what Jesus would have done and because we love Him. And we do it because of the hope that is in us!&nbsp; A hope of an eternity where suffering like we see in our world does not exist. An eternity made possible by the Gospel.&nbsp; Each man, woman and child we minister to in a physical sense gets a glimpse of eternity as we interact with them as Christ would.
</p>
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&#8220;Now I make known to you, bretheren, the gospel which I preached to you,, which also you recieved, in which you also stand, by which also you are saved, if you hold fast the word which I preached to you, unless you believed in vain.&nbsp; For I delievered to you as of first importance what I also received, that Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures, and that He was buried and rasied on the third day according to the Scriptures&#8230;&#8221;<br />
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1 Corinthians 15:1-4.
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If this helps &#8211; I&#8217;m glad!&nbsp; If not &#8211; my apologies.</p>
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		<title>By: DHaynes</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-11770</link>
		<dc:creator>DHaynes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Apr 2009 19:47:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Let the naysayers cry, it&#8217;s all apart of the journey to New Jerusalem. When you have done it to one of the least of these, you&#8217;ve done it unto me.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let the naysayers cry, it&#8217;s all apart of the journey to New Jerusalem. When you have done it to one of the least of these, you&#8217;ve done it unto me.</p>
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		<title>By: SwtMelis</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-11769</link>
		<dc:creator>SwtMelis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Apr 2009 23:24:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;When I think about Christ and his ministry here-he often met a physical need first before sharing his &#8220;good news&#8221; Also, since we all have spritual gifts-perhaps we need to respect some ministries may first meet the physical needs and then when asked why - then they can give the gospel-even with other ministries involved.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>When I think about Christ and his ministry here-he often met a physical need first before sharing his &#8220;good news&#8221; Also, since we all have spritual gifts-perhaps we need to respect some ministries may first meet the physical needs and then when asked why &#8211; then they can give the gospel-even with other ministries involved.</p>
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		<title>By: Maria Luisa Segovia</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/08/chan-and-change/#comment-11768</link>
		<dc:creator>Maria Luisa Segovia</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Mar 2009 15:05:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;In my country Colombia, and in all latin america, people are preaching and &#8216;spreading&#8217; the gospel...I&#8217;ve seen people, with needs, no home, no food, no health...what is real gospel???The church is doing NOTHING...just the false promise of Jesus and his whealthy life...that&#8217;s a lie. To show the love of God...by the act of the cross, AND feeding the hungry kids, by conforting the victims of violence...that&#8217;s the face of Jesus...the LOVE IN ACTION!!!!!...These guys like pastor Chan has a real vision of the purpose of the church&#8230;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In my country Colombia, and in all latin america, people are preaching and &#8216;spreading&#8217; the gospel&#8230;I&#8217;ve seen people, with needs, no home, no food, no health&#8230;what is real gospel???The church is doing NOTHING&#8230;just the false promise of Jesus and his whealthy life&#8230;that&#8217;s a lie. To show the love of God&#8230;by the act of the cross, AND feeding the hungry kids, by conforting the victims of violence&#8230;that&#8217;s the face of Jesus&#8230;the LOVE IN ACTION!!!!!&#8230;These guys like pastor Chan has a real vision of the purpose of the church&#8230;</p>
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