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	<title>Comments on: Static Chapter 2: Baggage</title>
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		<title>By: Cali Amy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16465</link>
		<dc:creator>Cali Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 25 Oct 2007 17:07:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Promise? &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.shaungroves.com/images/smileys/smile.gif&quot; width=&quot;19&quot; height=&quot;19&quot; alt=&quot;smile&quot; style=&quot;border:0;&quot; /&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Promise? <img src="http://www.shaungroves.com/images/smileys/smile.gif" width="19" height="19" alt="smile" style="border:0;" /></p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Groves</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16464</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Groves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 02 Oct 2007 16:42:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;FOUND IT!
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I&#8217;ll post the next segment this week.&#160; Promise.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FOUND IT!
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I&#8217;ll post the next segment this week.&nbsp; Promise.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16463</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:33:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Can I send you a new book???&#160; I happen to have some connections!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can I send you a new book???&nbsp; I happen to have some connections!</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Groves</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16462</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Groves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 19 Sep 2007 19:09:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I lost my book.
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I&#8217;m stupid like that.
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When it turns up we&#8217;ll resume.&#160; Sorry.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I lost my book.
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I&#8217;m stupid like that.
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When it turns up we&#8217;ll resume.&nbsp; Sorry.</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16461</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 15:04:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I hope so, as well!
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		<title>By: Cali Amy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16460</link>
		<dc:creator>Cali Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 04 Sep 2007 14:44:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Just out of curiosity, are we going to continue to discuss the book?&#160; I hope so!&#160; No pressure, though!
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Just out of curiosity, are we going to continue to discuss the book?&nbsp; I hope so!&nbsp; No pressure, though!</p>
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		<title>By: Tracy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16459</link>
		<dc:creator>Tracy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Aug 2007 01:13:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;There is validity in looking at the messenger.&#160; And, that fake public life is always pretty quick to crumble.&#160;
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But, don&#8217;t we want to know that the messenger did his research?&#160; That he is &#8220;trained&#8221; in his area of expertise?&#160; That he doesn&#8217;t pick and chose facts or scripture to only affirm his beliefs?
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Part of the problem is that we, as a public, have taken so many things for face value.&#160; And, that includes the lessons we have been taught at church.&#160; Are we so lazy or gullible that we don&#8217;t think for ourselves?&#160; And, part of forming our own beliefs and thoughts is listening to others beliefs and thoughts.
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See, the tentative position may not be the most comfortable place to be.&#160; But, as you work through the thoughts and questions, you will create, hopefully, a bigger story and will have not just created a God that affirms your beliefs and keeps you in your comfort zone.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is validity in looking at the messenger.&nbsp; And, that fake public life is always pretty quick to crumble.&nbsp;
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But, don&#8217;t we want to know that the messenger did his research?&nbsp; That he is &#8220;trained&#8221; in his area of expertise?&nbsp; That he doesn&#8217;t pick and chose facts or scripture to only affirm his beliefs?
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Part of the problem is that we, as a public, have taken so many things for face value.&nbsp; And, that includes the lessons we have been taught at church.&nbsp; Are we so lazy or gullible that we don&#8217;t think for ourselves?&nbsp; And, part of forming our own beliefs and thoughts is listening to others beliefs and thoughts.
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See, the tentative position may not be the most comfortable place to be.&nbsp; But, as you work through the thoughts and questions, you will create, hopefully, a bigger story and will have not just created a God that affirms your beliefs and keeps you in your comfort zone.</p>
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		<title>By: Cali Amy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16458</link>
		<dc:creator>Cali Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 20:03:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;No, I&#8217;m definitely not saying it&#8217;s right to reject a message because we don&#8217;t like or trust the messenger.&#160; I just think it was a very concise way of putting it.
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There is some sort of judgmentalism in us that makes it hard for us to trust someone who drinks excessively or cheated on their spouses or who kept their homosexuality a secret.&#160;
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I guess the truth is more than anything, we have to evaluate a message (not so much the messenger).&#160; Back to using my work as an example, the methodology we use is a little bit radical.&#160; So far, it&#8217;s not been accepted by many intellectual sorts of people.&#160; But it works.&#160; Like amazingly well.&#160; And when I first learned about it and how to do it, the people who trained me drove me a little nutty.&#160; I wasn&#8217;t even sure I liked all of their business practices.&#160; We struggled in that area.&#160; But that didn&#8217;t change the fact that they had a really awesome and amazing program that changes lives and works.&#160; In this case, &#8220;the message&#8221; speaks for itself.&#160; The package it comes in is a little bit rough and at times hard to take and I&#8217;m certain it has turned people away from embracing the truth of their theory of learning.&#160;
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So I&#8217;m not sure I have the answers.&#160; If I am speaking as the messenger, I know not everyone is going to agree with me. At what point do I just trust the truth of the message I am trying to convey and stop worrying about the image I am presenting?
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If I am the receiver of the message, I&#8217;d like to think I am of a tentative enough disposition that I do really listen to everyone.&#160; But I know it&#8217;s not true.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>No, I&#8217;m definitely not saying it&#8217;s right to reject a message because we don&#8217;t like or trust the messenger.&nbsp; I just think it was a very concise way of putting it.
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There is some sort of judgmentalism in us that makes it hard for us to trust someone who drinks excessively or cheated on their spouses or who kept their homosexuality a secret.&nbsp;
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I guess the truth is more than anything, we have to evaluate a message (not so much the messenger).&nbsp; Back to using my work as an example, the methodology we use is a little bit radical.&nbsp; So far, it&#8217;s not been accepted by many intellectual sorts of people.&nbsp; But it works.&nbsp; Like amazingly well.&nbsp; And when I first learned about it and how to do it, the people who trained me drove me a little nutty.&nbsp; I wasn&#8217;t even sure I liked all of their business practices.&nbsp; We struggled in that area.&nbsp; But that didn&#8217;t change the fact that they had a really awesome and amazing program that changes lives and works.&nbsp; In this case, &#8220;the message&#8221; speaks for itself.&nbsp; The package it comes in is a little bit rough and at times hard to take and I&#8217;m certain it has turned people away from embracing the truth of their theory of learning.&nbsp;
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So I&#8217;m not sure I have the answers.&nbsp; If I am speaking as the messenger, I know not everyone is going to agree with me. At what point do I just trust the truth of the message I am trying to convey and stop worrying about the image I am presenting?
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If I am the receiver of the message, I&#8217;d like to think I am of a tentative enough disposition that I do really listen to everyone.&nbsp; But I know it&#8217;s not true.</p>
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		<title>By: Shaun Groves</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16457</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Groves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 19:27:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;WHich, Amy, I think is why professional messengers (pastors, speakers, musicians, authors) are so fake publicly.&#160; We know if we do anything or say anything that loses trust our message won&#8217;t be heard.
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I&#8217;ve stopped improvising at shows for this reason.&#160; I want kids to be sponsored so badly that I don&#8217;t want to make a joke I think is funny, that no one else thinks is funny, and some think is wrong, and lose a potential sponsor.&#160; I get that trust thing.
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But isn&#8217;t that forgetting the massive number of very flawed people, crass people, thieving and mean people who&#8217;ve told the truth on this or that subject?
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I think of Rich Mullins.
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Rich is revered now for writing Awesome God and saying a lot of great things in concert and in articles he wrote.&#160; But Rich got drunk.&#160; He was foul-mouthed.&#160; He was sometimes hard to work.&#160; He was flaky.&#160; He was human.&#160; But he said great things about simplicity and poverty and benevolence and politics.&#160; And about how awesome God truly is.
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And we can&#8217;t forget the number of &#8220;good&#8221; people we all like who&#8217;ve led folks astray.&#160; Jim Jones?&#160; Likable guy.&#160; Conservative in many ways on the outside.&#160; Quoted scripture.&#160; (But interpreted it wrongly.) Helped folks.&#160; No one knew he had some special kool-aid in the pantry until it was too late.
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Do we ignore the source altogether?&#160; What are aspects of the messenger to evaluate when considering his/her message?&#160; Are there any?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>WHich, Amy, I think is why professional messengers (pastors, speakers, musicians, authors) are so fake publicly.&nbsp; We know if we do anything or say anything that loses trust our message won&#8217;t be heard.
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I&#8217;ve stopped improvising at shows for this reason.&nbsp; I want kids to be sponsored so badly that I don&#8217;t want to make a joke I think is funny, that no one else thinks is funny, and some think is wrong, and lose a potential sponsor.&nbsp; I get that trust thing.
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But isn&#8217;t that forgetting the massive number of very flawed people, crass people, thieving and mean people who&#8217;ve told the truth on this or that subject?
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I think of Rich Mullins.
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Rich is revered now for writing Awesome God and saying a lot of great things in concert and in articles he wrote.&nbsp; But Rich got drunk.&nbsp; He was foul-mouthed.&nbsp; He was sometimes hard to work.&nbsp; He was flaky.&nbsp; He was human.&nbsp; But he said great things about simplicity and poverty and benevolence and politics.&nbsp; And about how awesome God truly is.
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And we can&#8217;t forget the number of &#8220;good&#8221; people we all like who&#8217;ve led folks astray.&nbsp; Jim Jones?&nbsp; Likable guy.&nbsp; Conservative in many ways on the outside.&nbsp; Quoted scripture.&nbsp; (But interpreted it wrongly.) Helped folks.&nbsp; No one knew he had some special kool-aid in the pantry until it was too late.
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Do we ignore the source altogether?&nbsp; What are aspects of the messenger to evaluate when considering his/her message?&nbsp; Are there any?</p>
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		<title>By: Cali Amy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/07/static-chapter-2-baggage/#comment-16456</link>
		<dc:creator>Cali Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Aug 2007 18:17:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I get that Thomas and I agree.&#160; I am much more likely to listen to someone I trust and take what they have to say into consideration than someone I don&#8217;t know or may think is a fruitcake.&#160; I was listening to a tape of Ravi Zacharias this morning, and he said, &#8220;often we want to reject a message because we don&#8217;t like the messenger.&#8221;  I thought that was a really great point.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I get that Thomas and I agree.&nbsp; I am much more likely to listen to someone I trust and take what they have to say into consideration than someone I don&#8217;t know or may think is a fruitcake.&nbsp; I was listening to a tape of Ravi Zacharias this morning, and he said, &#8220;often we want to reject a message because we don&#8217;t like the messenger.&#8221;  I thought that was a really great point.</p>
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