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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12640</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:19:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;ok, I just read my comment and I need to say sorry for all the spelling and grammer errors.&#160; Sorry!
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12639</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 16 Jun 2007 15:17:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Cali Amy-  Most of the Liberians were here on a refugee status, they were fleeing from their worn torn country.&#160; Liberia is now considered stable so they will now be returned to their country.
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Senor Groves- This is a fictional scenrio...so could we also say in this fictional scenrio that Satanic Forces are not trying to destory our &#8220;Eden&#8221; of sorts, making it easier to trust the ungodly?&#160; If so then no, in this wonderful fictional world (which kinda sounds like heaven)No there would be no illegal aliens.&#160; I would hope that in this scenrio we would take our wealth and beliefs bring them to other nations and share ours with them.&#160; And because this is fiction, the other nations would then become Wealthy and Christian and nobody would want to leave their country for something better because they already have the best.
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Just a question along the immigration discussion.&#160; Mexico is a democratic nation that is very corupt.&#160; There is a huge gap between the rich and the poor.&#160; The rich being 10% of the people and owning 40% of the nation&#8217;s income.&#160; Are we encouraging this country to deal with their poverty by allowing their national&#8217;s to become American&#8217;s?&#160; And then we are a country of &#8220;fairness&#8221; what we do for one group of people we have to do for all.&#160; So then will that set a course for other countries to just pack up their poor and send them to the United States?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Cali Amy-  Most of the Liberians were here on a refugee status, they were fleeing from their worn torn country.&nbsp; Liberia is now considered stable so they will now be returned to their country.
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Senor Groves- This is a fictional scenrio&#8230;so could we also say in this fictional scenrio that Satanic Forces are not trying to destory our &#8220;Eden&#8221; of sorts, making it easier to trust the ungodly?&nbsp; If so then no, in this wonderful fictional world (which kinda sounds like heaven)No there would be no illegal aliens.&nbsp; I would hope that in this scenrio we would take our wealth and beliefs bring them to other nations and share ours with them.&nbsp; And because this is fiction, the other nations would then become Wealthy and Christian and nobody would want to leave their country for something better because they already have the best.
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Just a question along the immigration discussion.&nbsp; Mexico is a democratic nation that is very corupt.&nbsp; There is a huge gap between the rich and the poor.&nbsp; The rich being 10% of the people and owning 40% of the nation&#8217;s income.&nbsp; Are we encouraging this country to deal with their poverty by allowing their national&#8217;s to become American&#8217;s?&nbsp; And then we are a country of &#8220;fairness&#8221; what we do for one group of people we have to do for all.&nbsp; So then will that set a course for other countries to just pack up their poor and send them to the United States?</p>
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		<title>By: Brody Harper</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12638</link>
		<dc:creator>Brody Harper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 15 Jun 2007 16:26:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;&lt;a href=&quot;http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/06/a_pious_nation.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://blogs.usatoday.com/oped/2007/06/a_pious_nation.html&lt;/a&gt;
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		<title>By: Shaun Groves</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12637</link>
		<dc:creator>Shaun Groves</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 15:30:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;To be clear, I have no hard stance on any of this.&#160; I have a bunch of jumbled up answers I can&#8217;t yet make sense of.&#160; Thanks for helping me get a little more clarity.
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Here&#8217;s the thought that began me thinking all this.
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I was at a show recently and saw a man in a t-shirt that combined patriotism and Christianity in an unusual way.&#160; The shirt asserted that America was &#8220;God&#8217;s country.&#8221;
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Now, most of us don&#8217;t ascribe special standing before God to this nation or any other, but there is a lot of talk about America being &#8220;godly&#8221; or &#8220;Christian&#8221; or &#8220;under God.&#8221;  A lot of folks in America, wouldn&#8217;t you agree, think of America as a place reverberating with Christian values or at least values that are friendly to Christianity.&#160; I&#8217;d agree with that.&#160; I think ideas like charity, compassion, generosity are valued by most Americans I&#8217;ve known.&#160;
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Its also true that we&#8217;re a wealthy nation - the third wealthiest, actually.&#160; We eat more than we must.&#160; Buy more than we must.&#160; Drive more than we must.&#160; We&#8217;re loaded.
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Lets take these two traits of our nation to an extreme.&#160; Let&#8217;s pretend, for the sake of discussion, that America is 100% Christian.&#160; Every citizen is a Jesus follower.&#160; They believe Jesus is who He said is was to the point that they have rearranged all their priorities and values around imitating Him in every way.&#160; Then, let&#8217;s pretend we&#8217;re the wealthiest nation in the world. (Not sure that would be the case if we were 100% Christian, but go with me here).&#160; We&#8217;re Christian and we&#8217;re rich.
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Now, pretending all this is true of a fictitious America, would immigration be illegal?&#160; Why? Pretending all this is true, explain tot he immigrant from El Salvador why we only allow so many immigrants in every year, why he can&#8217;t live here and have a better life than he has back home, and learn about our faith?&#160; Explain why the wealthiest godliest nation in the world won&#8217;t share.
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I&#8217;m not saying there isn&#8217;t an answer.&#160; I just don&#8217;t have it.&#160; Do you?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>To be clear, I have no hard stance on any of this.&nbsp; I have a bunch of jumbled up answers I can&#8217;t yet make sense of.&nbsp; Thanks for helping me get a little more clarity.
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Here&#8217;s the thought that began me thinking all this.
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I was at a show recently and saw a man in a t-shirt that combined patriotism and Christianity in an unusual way.&nbsp; The shirt asserted that America was &#8220;God&#8217;s country.&#8221;
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Now, most of us don&#8217;t ascribe special standing before God to this nation or any other, but there is a lot of talk about America being &#8220;godly&#8221; or &#8220;Christian&#8221; or &#8220;under God.&#8221;  A lot of folks in America, wouldn&#8217;t you agree, think of America as a place reverberating with Christian values or at least values that are friendly to Christianity.&nbsp; I&#8217;d agree with that.&nbsp; I think ideas like charity, compassion, generosity are valued by most Americans I&#8217;ve known.&nbsp;
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Its also true that we&#8217;re a wealthy nation &#8211; the third wealthiest, actually.&nbsp; We eat more than we must.&nbsp; Buy more than we must.&nbsp; Drive more than we must.&nbsp; We&#8217;re loaded.
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Lets take these two traits of our nation to an extreme.&nbsp; Let&#8217;s pretend, for the sake of discussion, that America is 100% Christian.&nbsp; Every citizen is a Jesus follower.&nbsp; They believe Jesus is who He said is was to the point that they have rearranged all their priorities and values around imitating Him in every way.&nbsp; Then, let&#8217;s pretend we&#8217;re the wealthiest nation in the world. (Not sure that would be the case if we were 100% Christian, but go with me here).&nbsp; We&#8217;re Christian and we&#8217;re rich.
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Now, pretending all this is true of a fictitious America, would immigration be illegal?&nbsp; Why? Pretending all this is true, explain tot he immigrant from El Salvador why we only allow so many immigrants in every year, why he can&#8217;t live here and have a better life than he has back home, and learn about our faith?&nbsp; Explain why the wealthiest godliest nation in the world won&#8217;t share.
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I&#8217;m not saying there isn&#8217;t an answer.&nbsp; I just don&#8217;t have it.&nbsp; Do you?</p>
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		<title>By: Cali Amy</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12636</link>
		<dc:creator>Cali Amy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 14:57:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;Melinda&#8230;
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I am really interested in hearing more about this.&#160; I had no idea.&#160; Why do they have to leave if they are legal?
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Melinda&#8230;<br />
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I am really interested in hearing more about this.&nbsp; I had no idea.&nbsp; Why do they have to leave if they are legal?</p>
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		<title>By: Melinda</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12635</link>
		<dc:creator>Melinda</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 13:52:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;The only Truth we have is the Word of God.&#160; So looking at these statements in the Word of God (I only looked at the first sentance of each statement) This is my view 1. True 2. True 3. False (I have not interpreted scripture to make this statement true.) 4. True and 5. False.
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My personal beliefs are that my Grandfather was from Mexico and he came to this country legally. Married here and raised his 13 children here.&#160; He worked as a migrant worker for many years. He also translated for courts, and ran a bar.&#160; My brother died in 1992 he was only 20.&#160; We had a couple of migrant teens living with us at that time.&#160; One of them stole my dead brother&#8217;s identy (social and birth certificate)and sold it to an illegal so that person could work and live here.&#160; It broke my heart to find this out.&#160; There are people from every country waiting to become a citizen of the United States.&#160;
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I live in Brooklyn Park MN. In our city we have almost 2,000 Liberians who came to live here because of their country being in war.&#160; They came over 10 years ago.&#160; And have been living in the United States legally.&#160; They have built homes, raised children, paid taxes and been involved in thier communites.&#160; On Oct. 1st these and all other Liberians who are not legal citizens (est. 200,000 nationally)will be deemed illegal and forced to leave the United States.&#160; What about these people?&#160; Will these people still need to leave if Mexican Illegals are given legal status?&#160; In this is just one group.&#160; I could tell you about other groups of Refugees that were told to leave.
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only Truth we have is the Word of God.&nbsp; So looking at these statements in the Word of God (I only looked at the first sentance of each statement) This is my view 1. True 2. True 3. False (I have not interpreted scripture to make this statement true.) 4. True and 5. False.
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My personal beliefs are that my Grandfather was from Mexico and he came to this country legally. Married here and raised his 13 children here.&nbsp; He worked as a migrant worker for many years. He also translated for courts, and ran a bar.&nbsp; My brother died in 1992 he was only 20.&nbsp; We had a couple of migrant teens living with us at that time.&nbsp; One of them stole my dead brother&#8217;s identy (social and birth certificate)and sold it to an illegal so that person could work and live here.&nbsp; It broke my heart to find this out.&nbsp; There are people from every country waiting to become a citizen of the United States.&nbsp;
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I live in Brooklyn Park MN. In our city we have almost 2,000 Liberians who came to live here because of their country being in war.&nbsp; They came over 10 years ago.&nbsp; And have been living in the United States legally.&nbsp; They have built homes, raised children, paid taxes and been involved in thier communites.&nbsp; On Oct. 1st these and all other Liberians who are not legal citizens (est. 200,000 nationally)will be deemed illegal and forced to leave the United States.&nbsp; What about these people?&nbsp; Will these people still need to leave if Mexican Illegals are given legal status?&nbsp; In this is just one group.&nbsp; I could tell you about other groups of Refugees that were told to leave.</p>
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		<title>By: Lucas Parry</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12634</link>
		<dc:creator>Lucas Parry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:03:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;My thoughts. &lt;a href=&quot;http://lucasparry.com/blog/?p=65&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;http://lucasparry.com/blog/?p=65&lt;/a&gt;
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My thoughts. <a href="http://lucasparry.com/blog/?p=65" rel="nofollow">http://lucasparry.com/blog/?p=65</a></p>
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		<title>By: DrewbieTech</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12633</link>
		<dc:creator>DrewbieTech</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 12:00:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;1 and 2 as best as I can tell are the only statements up there that are biblically defensible.
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		<title>By: Jenny</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12632</link>
		<dc:creator>Jenny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 14 Jun 2007 00:18:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I agree most strongly with #2, for what it&#8217;s worth.
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		<title>By: Thomas</title>
		<link>http://shaungroves.com/2007/06/jesus-on-immigration/#comment-12631</link>
		<dc:creator>Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 13 Jun 2007 23:06:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;p&gt;I should have said that #1 #2 #3 are true.
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Sorry.
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Thomas
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should have said that #1 #2 #3 are true.
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Sorry.
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Thomas</p>
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