Comments on: A Long Lunch http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/ Official site of Shaun Groves - musician, speaker, advocate for children living in poverty Mon, 21 May 2012 00:43:23 -0500 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: emma http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/#comment-13542 emma Fri, 16 Mar 2007 15:29:23 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/#comment-13542 <p>I’d love to hear some more thoughts on what social justice looks like on a university campus… can you post up some more thoughts or something, or send me in the direction of some one else with thoughts/notes/etc? Social justice is something I have become increasingly passionate about… in fact, somehow I have managed to end up being the facilitator/leader/whatever of the social justice stuff we do through Christian Union on campus. I find the hardest thing is getting other people in CU to give a damn about social justice and God’s heart for justice. Any ideas? </p> I’d love to hear some more thoughts on what social justice looks like on a university campus… can you post up some more thoughts or something, or send me in the direction of some one else with thoughts/notes/etc? Social justice is something I have become increasingly passionate about… in fact, somehow I have managed to end up being the facilitator/leader/whatever of the social justice stuff we do through Christian Union on campus. I find the hardest thing is getting other people in CU to give a damn about social justice and God’s heart for justice. Any ideas?

]]> By: Shaun Groves http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/#comment-13541 Shaun Groves Thu, 15 Mar 2007 20:28:53 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/#comment-13541 <p>I can’t the audio to work.  I’ll come back to it on my trip this weekend and let you know when it’s fixed. </p> <p> Sorry about that. </p> <p> There was a lot of what Tony said that I didn’t agree with this time around but an awful lot I learned as well.  I hope people are graceful enough to listen through my mistakes and hear bits of the truth.  That’s what I came away with from this lunch.  Tony Campolo - shock - is human.  And yet a very wise man with potent truths slipped in here and there. </p> I can’t the audio to work.  I’ll come back to it on my trip this weekend and let you know when it’s fixed.

Sorry about that.

There was a lot of what Tony said that I didn’t agree with this time around but an awful lot I learned as well.  I hope people are graceful enough to listen through my mistakes and hear bits of the truth.  That’s what I came away with from this lunch.  Tony Campolo – shock – is human.  And yet a very wise man with potent truths slipped in here and there.

]]> By: RevJeff http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/#comment-13540 RevJeff Thu, 15 Mar 2007 19:50:22 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/#comment-13540 <p>yeah, Brant is heading where I’ve always felt about Tony… He has moved and motivated so many Christians to get off of their “pews.” <br /> Sadly, so many of us get distracted by the good of fighting for social causes that we can forget that works are the result of a solidly grounded faith, not the replacement for it. <br /> That said, I still enjoy many of the rants TC used to go off on in the most unsuspecting places… </p> yeah, Brant is heading where I’ve always felt about Tony… He has moved and motivated so many Christians to get off of their “pews.”

Sadly, so many of us get distracted by the good of fighting for social causes that we can forget that works are the result of a solidly grounded faith, not the replacement for it.

That said, I still enjoy many of the rants TC used to go off on in the most unsuspecting places…

]]> By: Brant http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/#comment-13539 Brant Thu, 15 Mar 2007 18:50:08 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/03/a-long-lunch/#comment-13539 <p>For my part, I owe a lot to Tony.  His stories are stuck in my head, and I’m still moved by a passion he helped impart to me. </p> <p> So I now wish he weren’t so sure that his political beliefs were God’s own political beliefs.  I wish he didn’t label a believer “heartless” toward the poor if they don’t find his particularly view of taxation compelling.  </p> <p> I wish he didn’t stress politics to the exclusion of a better, more subversive, far more interesting, far more dangerous, far more liberating message. </p> <p> Of course, I wish he agreed with me on abortion and the importance of a coherent definition of marriage, but I understand and welcome genuine, thoughtful disagreement.  The problem is that, to him, I’m homophobic, with no evidence other than that I disagree with him.  </p> <p> Tony’s “above” party politics, but agrees with the Democratic party on...well, pretty much everything. </p> <p> Tony prompted me to launch missions efforts and even to switch majors (into sociology) and want to be a Democrat.  Now, frankly, he makes me want to be a Republican.  But I can resist.  </p> <p> I still like him.  I just wish he hadn’t sold out to a party, and wish he didn’t equate his platform with God’s, since he reacts so very strongly against the Christian right for doing the same. </p> For my part, I owe a lot to Tony.  His stories are stuck in my head, and I’m still moved by a passion he helped impart to me.

So I now wish he weren’t so sure that his political beliefs were God’s own political beliefs.  I wish he didn’t label a believer “heartless” toward the poor if they don’t find his particularly view of taxation compelling. 

I wish he didn’t stress politics to the exclusion of a better, more subversive, far more interesting, far more dangerous, far more liberating message.

Of course, I wish he agreed with me on abortion and the importance of a coherent definition of marriage, but I understand and welcome genuine, thoughtful disagreement.  The problem is that, to him, I’m homophobic, with no evidence other than that I disagree with him. 

Tony’s “above” party politics, but agrees with the Democratic party on…well, pretty much everything.

Tony prompted me to launch missions efforts and even to switch majors (into sociology) and want to be a Democrat.  Now, frankly, he makes me want to be a Republican.  But I can resist. 

I still like him.  I just wish he hadn’t sold out to a party, and wish he didn’t equate his platform with God’s, since he reacts so very strongly against the Christian right for doing the same.

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