Comments on: Heretic’s Guide To A Bad Start http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/ Thu, 09 Feb 2012 23:51:21 -0600 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v= By: Shaun Groves http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16541 Shaun Groves Thu, 01 Feb 2007 06:43:51 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16541 <p>Yea, I think so.  It’s well written I think and not too heady.  But because of that a lot of what he asserts isn’t backed up too thoroughly either.  If you’re going to say something “heretical” you should probably take the time to explain how you came to believe that way.  He doesn’t...at least not all that convincingly...to me. </p> Yea, I think so.  It’s well written I think and not too heady.  But because of that a lot of what he asserts isn’t backed up too thoroughly either.  If you’re going to say something “heretical” you should probably take the time to explain how you came to believe that way.  He doesn’t…at least not all that convincingly…to me.

]]> By: thecachinnator http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16540 thecachinnator Wed, 31 Jan 2007 23:51:43 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16540 <p>Not yet, but I’ve had my eye on it.  I should be able to get to it next month.  Worth the read? </p> Not yet, but I’ve had my eye on it.  I should be able to get to it next month.  Worth the read?

]]> By: Shaun Groves http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16539 Shaun Groves Wed, 31 Jan 2007 15:05:23 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16539 <p>I haven’t finished yet.  I plan to on my next run of shows - in about ten days.  I’ll post a real review then. </p> <p> Have you read this, cach? </p> I haven’t finished yet.  I plan to on my next run of shows – in about ten days.  I’ll post a real review then.

Have you read this, cach?

]]> By: thecachinnator http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16538 thecachinnator Thu, 25 Jan 2007 01:01:45 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16538 <p>I’ll chime in too, wondering if you’ve finished yet and what you think now. </p> I’ll chime in too, wondering if you’ve finished yet and what you think now.

]]> By: Stephen @ Rebelling Against Indifference http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16537 Stephen @ Rebelling Against Indifference Tue, 23 Jan 2007 01:24:06 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16537 <p>Shaun, have you finished reading this yet?  I just came across a mention of it in an excellent article by Scot McKnight at Christianity Today titled <a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2007/february/11.35.html" rel="nofollow">Five Streams of the Emerging Church</a>.  Toward the end, McKnight says: </p> <p> <em>An admittedly controversial element of post-evangelicalism is that many in the emerging movement are skeptical about the “in versus out” mentality of much of evangelicalism. Even if one is an exclusivist (believing that there is a dividing line between Christians and non-Christians), the issue of who is in and who is out pains the emerging generation. </p> <p> Some emerging Christians point to the words of Jesus: “Whoever is not against us is for us” (Mark 9:40). Others, borrowing the words of the old hymn, point to a “wideness in God’s mercy.” Still others take postmodernity’s crushing of metanarratives and extend that to master theological narratives—like Christianity. They say what really matters is orthopraxy and that it doesn’t matter which religion one belongs to, as long as one loves God and one’s neighbor as one’s self. <b>Some even accept Spencer Burke’s unbiblical contention in A Heretic’s Guide to Eternity (Jossey-Bass, 2006) that all are born “in” and only some “opt out.”</b></em> </p> <p> What is the context of Burke’s assertion? </p> Shaun, have you finished reading this yet?  I just came across a mention of it in an excellent article by Scot McKnight at Christianity Today titled Five Streams of the Emerging Church.  Toward the end, McKnight says:

An admittedly controversial element of post-evangelicalism is that many in the emerging movement are skeptical about the “in versus out” mentality of much of evangelicalism. Even if one is an exclusivist (believing that there is a dividing line between Christians and non-Christians), the issue of who is in and who is out pains the emerging generation.

Some emerging Christians point to the words of Jesus: “Whoever is not against us is for us” (Mark 9:40). Others, borrowing the words of the old hymn, point to a “wideness in God’s mercy.” Still others take postmodernity’s crushing of metanarratives and extend that to master theological narratives—like Christianity. They say what really matters is orthopraxy and that it doesn’t matter which religion one belongs to, as long as one loves God and one’s neighbor as one’s self. Some even accept Spencer Burke’s unbiblical contention in A Heretic’s Guide to Eternity (Jossey-Bass, 2006) that all are born “in” and only some “opt out.”

What is the context of Burke’s assertion?

]]> By: Shaun Groves http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16536 Shaun Groves Tue, 09 Jan 2007 01:28:08 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16536 <p>Thanks, Spencer.  I’m enjoying the book.  So far I haven’t found anything worth getting upset over...but I’m only halfway through it. </p> <p> Sorry to hear that the title was such a big hurdle for some to jump.  The title intrigued me - didn’t repel at all.  The subjectivity of words. </p> <p> I’ll post a more complete review when I’m done. </p> <p> SG </p> Thanks, Spencer.  I’m enjoying the book.  So far I haven’t found anything worth getting upset over…but I’m only halfway through it.

Sorry to hear that the title was such a big hurdle for some to jump.  The title intrigued me – didn’t repel at all.  The subjectivity of words.

I’ll post a more complete review when I’m done.

SG

]]> By: spencer burke http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16535 spencer burke Mon, 08 Jan 2007 02:45:30 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16535 <p>Shaun, </p> <p> Thank you for taking the time to read the book for yourself. </p> <p> In a strange way Brian’s words were some-what prophetic, many were not able to get past the title and only quoted sound bites form the few who disagreed with the book. </p> <p> Again thank you for posting your response - no matter what it maybe - it is yours… for that I am honored and humbled. </p> Shaun,

Thank you for taking the time to read the book for yourself.

In a strange way Brian’s words were some-what prophetic, many were not able to get past the title and only quoted sound bites form the few who disagreed with the book.

Again thank you for posting your response – no matter what it maybe – it is yours… for that I am honored and humbled.

]]> By: Cali Amy http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16534 Cali Amy Fri, 05 Jan 2007 15:57:34 +0000 http://shaungroves.com/2007/01/heretics-guide-to-a-bad-start/#comment-16534 <p>That is a strange forward.  I suppose it’s possible that McLaren has come under enough fire that he naturally starts out feeling defensive.  I would probably be turned off by that though. </p> That is a strange forward.  I suppose it’s possible that McLaren has come under enough fire that he naturally starts out feeling defensive.  I would probably be turned off by that though.

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